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How is any of this relevant to the question?
Because the question is loosely defined. This was his valid interpretation of the question.
No, it was not if you read even first three sentences past the title. The sentiment is nice but it has nothing to do with the question.
Raising my son. Playing music with my friends. Building a home and relationships with my partners. Building my body and mind through long term studies of various branches of philosophical and intellectual inquiry. Caring for specific peoples' specific needs. That all might sound hippy-dippy or unrealistic, but because of the history of our economy we tend to value only monetarily compensated public labor as "work", w…
How is any of this relevant to the question?
I know that we have a lot of biases about what constitutes work; the point here is to challenge that bias. That feels like a legitimate project to me, so I try to do it when I can.
I found this via HN the other day and it feels relavent to your response:
https://jdebp.eu/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.h...
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I'm with you. The context was explicit and obviously intended to be work-oriented. Obviously friends and family should rate higher than work. But this detracts from the intended discussion. My most rewarding professional experience have come from 1) working with a respectful and high-standards team 2) solving a real world problem that is either new or inadequately address by current solutions 3) where I have a really…
I don't agree that many people draw the same obvious conclusion that family and friends rate higher that paid work-- note that in your response you explicitly draw a distinction between them that isn't necessary.
So while I understand you have an implicit bias towards saying that domestic labor isn't work, and while I understand that this bias permeates not only the question but our culture at large, I disagree that this bias is necessary.
And I feel like challenging that implicit bias is a worthwhile use of my time, so thank you for allowing me to make this specific and tiny project a little more explicit in my own mind.
Simple upgrades / techniques can really improve crisis response, mission comms, common operating picture, and real-time situational awareness for decisionmaking.
Helping larger organizations that perform these actions work in faster ways can also be painful as hell, but the end result is definitely rewarding.
You could do this for a non-profit to help with rescue efforts. However, Department of Defense activities and other first responder-type organizations are especially rewarding if you're closer to the mission end of things and you can see clear results. Defense Digital Service is doing some of this work I believe.
Outside of that, working in/with government to build software that help citizens and improves governance is a really excellent way to spend one's time and is quite rewarding.
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I'm with you. The context was explicit and obviously intended to be work-oriented. Obviously friends and family should rate higher than work. But this detracts from the intended discussion. My most rewarding professional experience have come from 1) working with a respectful and high-standards team 2) solving a real world problem that is either new or inadequately address by current solutions 3) where I have a really…
I agree with you about the context. I don't agree that many people draw the same obvious conclusion that family and friends rate higher that paid work-- note that in your response you explicitly draw a distinction between them that isn't necessary. So while I understand you have an implicit bias towards saying that domestic labor isn't work, and while I understand that this bias permeates not only the question but ou…
Yeah, no. I think we do all sorts of things and they are all "real work". But it falls into different areas. This particular area was about professional projects & jobs. In case this is an English language thing, it is common vernacular to call one's paid employment "work" without making a value judgement on other activities.
I think domestic work is extremely important and real work (and frankly, resent the heck out of your implication otherwise). You didn't mention self-improvement and education or charity, either, but I wouldn't be rude enough to imply you don't value those by not including them.
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How is any of this relevant to the question?
I am with you. Comments like this indicate nothing but a demonstration of the ad hockery defense of familialism, which is increasingly becoming common here in HN for some reason.
Hard question to answer since I've enjoyed all my jobs... at some point anyway :-) I spent 15+ years in the Medical Device industry and that's probably been the most fulfilling job. Why? Medical Device software is extremely process-heavy, progress is slow and methodical and it can be absolutely soul-crushing if you look at it the wrong way. But: Sometimes you hear from an ex-patient how you saved her life. Sometimes…
Raising my son. Playing music with my friends. Building a home and relationships with my partners. Building my body and mind through long term studies of various branches of philosophical and intellectual inquiry. Caring for specific peoples' specific needs. That all might sound hippy-dippy or unrealistic, but because of the history of our economy we tend to value only monetarily compensated public labor as "work", w…
I very much agree. I ditto your sentiments. I've had a few people ask me lately why I've spent so much time long-term (an hour or two a day, for at least 2 years) studying philosophy. It's very difficult to convey the feeling you get when really approaching philiosophical thought in the way Descartes challenged via apple baskets: > “Suppose [a person] had a basket full of apples and, being worried that some of the ap…