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Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by 098799 »

vq wrote: post #178

I work almost exclusively in Emacs without the modern LSP-based tools. I believe I do keep more in my head than programmers that use more advanced IDEs. In code I have control over myself I avoid imports that doesn't enumerate all imported symbols. That is I always use the import Library (symbol) syntax in Haskell and never do wildcard import in Python. When coding C I sometimes use tags so that I can go to definitio…

Despite many years of development, I find lsp and eglot to me mostly unusably slow. I need my emacs to be fast and the only way to achieve that is something oldschool like Jedi/Elpy for python.

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by tmtvl »

kristopolous wrote: post #36

Auto-closing tags. hate them. I go to encapsulate something in quotes and it just tosses a closed quote right next to it, incorrectly. They perpetually make the wrong move. All the "smart systems" are equally annoying. The auto-comment generators are just trash. They just add noise like this: # Object receives something object.receive(something) I see this stuff in code review, just did today, I just ignore it now. G…

> I go to encapsulate something in quotes and it just tosses a closed quote right next to it, incorrectly. They perpetually make the wrong move.

In Emacs I have automatically closing brackets and quotes and such, and if I want to encapsulate something I select the entire thing I want to encapsulate, press the opening character, and it automatically puts the closing character at the end of the selection. It also properly moves over closing elements when I hit a closing character (so if the cursor is in front of a closing bracket and I press the closing bracket key the cursor moves behind the closing bracket instead of inserting another one). I've gotten so used to it that editors which don't do this correctly turn me off big time.

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

PSA: No matter how good you are, please don't do this if you're working in a tech stack you are not familiar with, in a team with people who are experts and are using fully fledged IDEs.

There will be inevitable ultra-basic mistakes, especially if you're also not familiar with testing the code you're actually writing.

I say this as a specialist using an IDE and having had PRs sent to me that weren't even syntactically valid, because the developer was not using an LSP in a language they were not familiar with.

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by akritid »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #203

PSA: No matter how good you are, please don't do this if you're working in a tech stack you are not familiar with, in a team with people who are experts and are using fully fledged IDEs. There will be inevitable ultra-basic mistakes, especially if you're also not familiar with testing the code you're actually writing. I say this as a specialist using an IDE and having had PRs sent to me that weren't even syntacticall…

Not using LSP does not mean not compiling/running. Using an LSP should not qualify you to commit without compiling or running either!

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by CrLf »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #203

PSA: No matter how good you are, please don't do this if you're working in a tech stack you are not familiar with, in a team with people who are experts and are using fully fledged IDEs. There will be inevitable ultra-basic mistakes, especially if you're also not familiar with testing the code you're actually writing. I say this as a specialist using an IDE and having had PRs sent to me that weren't even syntacticall…

Maybe submitting PRs with code that wasn't even run is the problem, not IDE features?

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by okaleniuk »

I use IDE at work but rarely at home.

My design is usually very simple, I don't have to keep a lot of things in mind to begin with. For instance, https://wordsandbuttons.online/ is about 100KSLOC now, but since it's inherently flat, no dependencies, no third parties, I can manage it with a Vim or a gedit with none of the IDE features. My implementation is always in the same file as the call.

I suppose, IDE makes writing harder code easier, which results in tons of saved time, but it also makes writing harder code easier, which results in tons of hard code.

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by daltonpinto »

mckn1ght wrote: post #120
daltonpinto wrote: post #99

This question reminds me of the first time I met a blind programmer. I asked him how he managed to code, and he replied with something that stayed with me: a good programmer should organize software in such a way that every piece of code has a clear and logical place. The organization should be so intuitive that anyone could build a mental model of the structure and navigate it easily, even without seeing it. It felt…

Of course I agree that code should be organized logically, but I wonder if you could expand on what you mean. Do you drill down into finer and finer directories of detail, code units, classes and functions? I work with someone that navigates the tree structure of all our directories every time they need to look for something. It is painfully slow to watch and if you ask me, they produce fairly spaghetti architecture.…

When I mean organized it means having a structure that segrates responsabilities.

It could be applying DDD or some other pattern with that makes sense to the team.

If you are using a framework like Rails, learn well its conventions, follow them and change what your team likes and made it clear to all team members.

Also learn well SOLID principles and OO (of functional programming, or whatever you are using) and make it obvious that your code fits well your choices.

In other words, if some file (class, template, whatever) should have a single responsability, and by that, it should be obvious where that will be placed.

It has more than one responsability? How you can split it? And once it is splitted, it should be obvious where it should belong as well.

Re: Ask HN: Programmers who don't use autocomplete/LSP, how do you do it?

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Post by lloeki »

samsquire wrote: post #155
daltonpinto wrote: post #99

This question reminds me of the first time I met a blind programmer. I asked him how he managed to code, and he replied with something that stayed with me: a good programmer should organize software in such a way that every piece of code has a clear and logical place. The organization should be so intuitive that anyone could build a mental model of the structure and navigate it easily, even without seeing it. It felt…

I greatly enjoyed this comment of yours daltonpinto. Thank you. I do not rejoice with code bases where every file has no logic or code in it but there are hundreds of methods and files with everything spread out. I have no idea how those projects fit together because the actual logic is spread out. For my personal side project hobby work it's all in one file.

> I have no idea how those projects fit together because the actual logic is spread out.

There are two kind of mazes:

- those that are so tangled up that you can't make out any kind of structure.

- those that are so regular that you can't make out any kind of structure.

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