Then it stopped being extensible at first, then the management went "woke" with all LGBTC++ inclusiveness and other CoC bullshit, fired/made go lots of good core developers and then it all went to shit in accelerated mode.
Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
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Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#202Actually, why does Chrome/ium has such a high market share even amongst tech savvy people? I don't see the appeal.
I hope they go broke, but they already aren't relevant anymore.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#203Actually, why does Chrome/ium has such a high market share even amongst tech savvy people? I don't see the appeal.
A lot of people don't remember how slow Firefox used to be before ~2018. Maintaining compatibility with XUL extensions really held them back for a while.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sort of... But Firefox is open source, so anyone can contribute. Mozilla accepted money from google to "just make google the default search engine". But they also accept contributions in programming (its open source after all) from google, Microsoft & others employees. The google/Microsoft contributors whether working after hours or as part of their employment have some influence in the direction of Firefox. That may…
Just because anyone "can" contribute doesn't mean every patch is accepted or that product decisions are delegated to corporations with competing products. Firefox still bears responsibility for its own product decisions, not to mention how firefox is marketed.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use Firefox as my daily driver and have not encountered any sites that work in Chrome but not Firefox.
It might be a specific security setting I've made more restrictive than the default, but Cloudflare's bot detector goes into an infinite loop on Firefox, thus making any site that puts that in front unusable, including OpenAI most notably. As a consequence, I don't use those sites, but I'm sure others would rather just give in and use a browser with settings that Cloudflare actually tests against and cares about.
Probably not.
I recently tried to go back to firefox and eat up some of my gripes with the browser because I don't like chromium's engine monopoly but I had the same issue you had, in my case with some web novels websites that ran cloudflare in maximum DDoS protection mode. Cloudflare would tell me to click to prove I'm human, and the page would just reload in place in an infinite loop.
I ran Firefox on the default settings, and with uBlock (also on default settings). I deleted uBlock, and disabled every option that Firefox has for privacy. Still no cookie. Cloudflare blocked me.
I opened Chrome on the same webpage and not only did it work immediately, but cloudflare didn't ask me to click to prove my humanity, the page just went away on its own without the "challenge" prompt. I had ublock turned on and it caused no issue.
I'm a lesser man, I did what most people would do in this situation: apt purge "firefox*".
I'm a linux user, who used to have a dual boot with windows for video games and who removed the dual boot and stuck with only linux since 2 years ago, I can say, I find being a linux gamer, quirks with proton and all, less painful than browsing the web with Firefox. It's a lost cause. There is simply no way that I am going to recommend Firefox to less technical friends the way I used to in the Internet Explorer vs Mozilla days. I can't see FF ever recovering.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#206Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#207Chrome used to be a lot faster years back so I switched. Firefox sadly has never given me a reason to switch back. Chrome is still fast and generally easy to use. (Maybe others here can give me good reasons to switch?) Chrome also has some obscure features I rely on that Firefox does not have (or just doesn't do well): * Firefox does not support Touch ID on macOS. I can't actually log into a lot of my sites * I can't…
I understand your dislike of the default workflow for Firefox profiles. Fortunately you can launch them from the CLI, so I usually creat an alias to my alt profiles then launch the browser from the shell.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, the only way to grow Firefox now is to have a website Google can't hijack to advertise Chrome, and also a website everyone wants to use. "ChatGPT runs better in Firefox. Click here to install it."
DuckDuckGo has billboards. Mozilla has money. I think share growth is expressly a non-goal from Mozilla leadership, judging by some of the other comments.
I would agree, I have no idea what the actual goals from Mozilla leadership are. They don't make sense.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
FireFox doesn't synch with saved passwords that Chrome has.. Remembering tons of passwords across many sites, and having to do TFA all over again is excruciatingly painful. This is how people get locked in to so many monopolies today, and probably why log-ins are so difficult overall, yet still not working very well to secure accounts. There is too much hassle in software these days, it used to be about making your l…
Firefox does sync if you sign in. Extensions, history, the works.
Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?
#210Chrome used to be a lot faster years back so I switched. Firefox sadly has never given me a reason to switch back. Chrome is still fast and generally easy to use. (Maybe others here can give me good reasons to switch?) Chrome also has some obscure features I rely on that Firefox does not have (or just doesn't do well): * Firefox does not support Touch ID on macOS. I can't actually log into a lot of my sites * I can't…
I’m still using Firefox on both desktop and mobile but this is the issue that has me doubting my choice going forward.