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Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

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Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#201
In my own experience, and based on what it I've observed, it's all about demand and supply.

I have been hired for jobs even though I said "I do not have any experience doing this."

If you're switching, switch to something that there's enough demand for that the chance you need a safety net is shall.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#202

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It doesn’t significantly change my advice and was actually already factored in my answer. Your obligations are your own. If you can’t afford to change, that answers the question. It’s not about empathy. My point is that inherently there are no advices to be had on life choices. Just do what you want to do, decide to try or decide you don’t want to. There are no right and wrong general answers here. A bunch of strange…

>If you can’t afford to change, that answers the question. In my personal experience the greatest challenge is always oneself and not external factors. So your advice to drop all self-help is wrong in my opinion. There are people who made it against all odds and their mindset may crave the necesseary pathways in your brain as well. I would even say that the more the odds are stacked against you the more you should tr…

I personally suspect more people are harmed by self help books etc than helped. Which circles back to the kind of advice I would give someone.

It’s easy to fall into the trap of assuming reading advice is inherently beneficial but it needs to result in some net positive behaviors or it’s just wasting time, money, and mental effort.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#203
I know how it feels. Ive wasted my career missing good opportunities due to fear (and also missed many bad opportunities thanks to fear :) ). Assuming you dont have responsibilities like mortgage etc and fear is the only factor in your way - How would you feel about asking this same question in 10 years time when you are 53?

By the way 10k hours is consistently spending 3 hours a day for 10 years. So you could spend the next 10 years practising and then switch - but that kind of all-or-nothing means you could have missed the boat for what it is you are trying to get mastery on.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#204

The Gladwell book is so bad it's laughable. It's a gross misrepresentation of the work of Anders Ericsson, with completely unfounded extrapolations. So bad it prompted Ericsson to get a non-academic writer to work with him to write his own popular science version of his work, which is titled "Peak". Outliers is the worst example I know of of popular authors bending facts to make a narrative they want to tell. In a nu…

> (ie the Beatles example is complete bullshit, gigs are not practice) Why doesn't that count as practice?

Performances aren't practice. Practice is sitting down and working on what needs development, and doing self-introspection. Performances are where all of those get put together for an audience.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#205
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100%. There are so many things that you can read or theorize about for years, in depth -- that end up still being very different once you actually do them. Just gotta try stuff.

Over-analyzing has always been a huge struggle of mine, and your comment reminded me of a few times in my life where actually doing things taught me something important: 1. I thought I wanted to be a lawyer through most of college. I took tons of law-related courses, did a few internships, and then realized I strongly disliked actually doing it once I got my first job in the field. Thankfully, I figured it out before…

Weird and interesting parallels: I quite enjoyed law school, did a few internships and practiced for a few years before mostly realizing the same thing, and still I have no regrets because things turned out well.

I took CS50 when it was probably very different (Brian Kernighan, the creator of C, teaching C)

Roughly, I ended up as a Chair of a Masters in IT program. Not doing that part anymore, but still a full time non-tenure teaching professor. (What technically, as in according to the rules of academia, qualifies me for all this, is the law degree. Weird. I'll take it!

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#206

In my admittedly still short life, I have started to notice something: you can broadly divide the world into two groups - those who do things and those who keep wondering if they should have done things. So for what’s worth, here is my advice to you: drop Gladwell and self-help books, if you want to and can switch to a new job, do it. Should it work or fail, you will have experienced trying. If you don’t feel like it…

> drop Gladwell and self-help books

The advice I like is "read them until they all sound the same".

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#207

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Agreed. Bobby Fisher got there in less than 10 years. https://problogservice.com/2012/03/15/what-malcolm-gladwell-... The problem is, Gladwell never said you needed 10,000 hours to be an expert, you need 10,000 hours to be a phenom. To be so freakishly awesome, to be such a standout among your peers, that sometimes your first name is enough to tell people who you are: Peyton. Tiger. Venus. Kobe. Oprah. But in the mea…

I need 500g of flour to make bread. That doesn't mean I can make bread with just 500g of flour. You are trying to say that someone claiming 500g being necessary to making bread is hogwash because it doesn't also talk about the salt and water (etc).

I didn't mention any baking concepts.

I quoted Malcolm Gladwell -- who was the originator of the "10,000 hours" rule (remark?) in popular culture.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#208
Expertise isn't something you need to start a career, it's something you gain over the course of a career. Figure out the minimum necessary skills to enter a new field and focus on developing those skills.

Even if you did spent the (completely mythical, made up) 10,000 hours, you'd likely be wasting a lot of time if most of those hours aren't in the actual profession, as opposed to some detached academic hobby.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#210

In my admittedly still short life, I have started to notice something: you can broadly divide the world into two groups - those who do things and those who keep wondering if they should have done things. So for what’s worth, here is my advice to you: drop Gladwell and self-help books, if you want to and can switch to a new job, do it. Should it work or fail, you will have experienced trying. If you don’t feel like it…

The older I get the more I recognize that most of the people I've encountered, in one way or another, have a great lack of confidence and courage.

Agreed. Without courage there's not much you can do.

Who's going to practice something for 10,000 hours? One who is strongly motivated to do so. Who's going to do well in school exams? One who is strongly motivated to do so (e.g. to please his parents)

Being strongly motivated is about following your own bent. Which takes courage. If you lack courage you won't even be able to perceive what that bent is. But if you have courage then you'll make your mind up and get stuck in.

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