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Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

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Because they can be. Who's going to stop them?

This question further reinforces my belief that most people really haven't internalized the motives and means of modern capitalism.

You can answer many questions like this by referring to a crude old southern homily:

"Why does a dog lick his balls?"

The very widely applicable metaphorical answer:

"Because he can."

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

#202

My Brother black-and-white laser is about ten years old. Pretty low volume of use from me, but it's held up well and is one of the most satisfying technology purchases I've ever made. If it stopped working, I would buy a Brother printer tomorrow without even looking at other brands. The printer industry is horrible, but also HP is toxic at every level and across every product and service. Just avoid.

Brother printers have regressed as well. See this post: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131

Et tu Brother? My Brother wireless laser printer/scanner has been so reliable you’d think it wasn’t even a mechanical device.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

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I used to work for Lexmark, back when they were in the inkjet business. They are perhaps most notable for starting and fueling the race to the bottom in printer price. The theory was that if you could lock the users in, the customer lifetime value would be made on selling profitably prices supplies (i.e. the ink cartridge). There were a few big problems with this: - People often could buy a new printer, with supplies…

Just an anecdote: my grandfather passed away a few years ago and he was always into new technology. After he passed when we were cleaning up his home we found no fewer than 11 inkjet printers in his basement. Every time one stopped working (probably ran out of ink, or printed poorly because of long delays between printing) he would go to Best Buy, get talked up by a salesperson about a nice new printer, and buy it. I…

I got a great deal on a Canon MF743C (a pretty decent color laser multi-function). MRSP is something like $600 (but in deals can be $400).

A guy on FB marketplace was locally selling one brand new for $250 (and took $175 if I picked up same day), because his dad had one that ran out of toner so the father had just bought a new one. It actually came with the new receipts from Best Buy. Looks like BB upsold on lasers too.

Except, it's a low-end business class laser, and they last forever. This thing is great.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious what metals would be affordable and durable that would not bring the cost of cheap printers up too high?

All of them, Aluminium is 2.49 USD per KG, steel is like 4 times cheaper. We use plastics because they can be moulded into any shape in seconds. Aluminium is used for premium products instead of steel because it's easier to manufacture into shape - you can cut an aluminium beam as large as your arm with a hacksaw in a minute or two. If that was structural steel, you would batrely make a dent in hours. This reflects o…

An oxy/acetylene torch can cut steel in seconds. Plasma also.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

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One "scam" that I realise HP is pulling: my OfficeJet 8710 printer seems to be cleaning its print heads every time it's turned on. I've gotten "please replace ink cartridges" messages when I've never even printed a single page since I replaced the previous cartridge — since I use the printer mostly for its ADF scanning function. Well, that's ~$100 I'll never get back. It's sad that the industry has moved in this dire…

I think inkjets have to do that or the ink dries inside the heads and they clog up. This is why if you print rarely, you should really go for a toner-based printer.

Yeah. But also if you print frequently, toner-based printer is cheaper for TCO. It's weird.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father in law had an old laser printer that he could not get to work under windows 10 since the drivers only support windows 7 and refuse to install.

Does it need proprietary drivers at all? I don't think I've seen a printer that does for decades, but I certainly haven't used all printers.

Windows 10 found no supported drivers and refused to print to it, while it worked fine with Windows 7

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

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Not trolling - but what are y'all still printing these days? I've literally printed 2 things this year, and one was a boarding pass (I like having a paper backup, call me old-fashioned). If anything, I've used the scan-to-email function on the printer about 10x more, and I could probably have gotten away with just taking a photo of the documents in extremis.

I mostly print topo maps of wilderness areas I'll be backpacking in.

Thank for you your response, this makes sense, a backup in case electronic documentation fails just like my boarding pass

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

#209

Not trolling - but what are y'all still printing these days? I've literally printed 2 things this year, and one was a boarding pass (I like having a paper backup, call me old-fashioned). If anything, I've used the scan-to-email function on the printer about 10x more, and I could probably have gotten away with just taking a photo of the documents in extremis.

I only need to print one or two things per year, and a long time ago I realised it wasn't worth me owning my own printer for that. Now I just get stuff printed out at the local library. The per-page cost is relatively high, but still an order of magnitude lower than amortising the cost of a whole printer myself, not to mention offloading the hassle of maintenance and refills, and the money goes to supporting the libr…

I spent about $400 on a color laser MFP and I'll probably never consume all the toner in my lifetime! My amortization schedule sucks compared to yours

That said, the scanner has been super-handy through the pandemic

Re: Ask HN: Why is the printer industry so scammy?

#210

Not trolling - but what are y'all still printing these days? I've literally printed 2 things this year, and one was a boarding pass (I like having a paper backup, call me old-fashioned). If anything, I've used the scan-to-email function on the printer about 10x more, and I could probably have gotten away with just taking a photo of the documents in extremis.

- I print at least a few shipping labels a year. - I sometimes print activities for the kids. This includes checklists that will then be laminated and need updated roughly quarterly. - I have to photocopy papers for some financial services (completely stupid that I can't just send scans). - I sometimes have to print forms that need signed, both for kid stuff and business. - I print things for proofing so that I can mark them up with a pen. It may seem wasteful over marking up on the computer, but it helps me focus on it better.

There may be other things I'm not thinking of. Overall it ends up being a few hundred pages a year.

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