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Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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I don't know how people think Firefox has feature-rich bookmark manager, probably never used a browser that cares about power-users. Firefox can't even open Bookmark manager in a new tab, whole bookmark feature hasn't improved in 15 years. Vivaldi has the best bookmark management in UX/UI. > i want to be able to quickly load common favourite news sites & blogs. Right click on a tab > Bookmark all tabs. Vivaldi create…

In Firefox, bookmark manager in a tab: chrome://browser/content/places/places.xhtml

"You can encounter issues when you want to create a new folder, moving a bookmark to another folder may not work as well."

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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I'm selfhosting a wallabag server, which lets me access my bookmarks on all my devices, without the need for another 3rd party service. Probably not what you're looking for, but I started looking into private bookmark sharing and this is what I ended up with. It's a pretty ok solution.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #163
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if the user is wanting to visit something like Ford.com, Google can charge Ford millions over time to be the first result, pitting them in a bidding war against Chevy for the top result (with tiny ad disclaimer) for a search for "Ford". That’s not how it works. If you own the website Ford.com, Google won’t charge you millions to bid on the keyword "Ford". They _will_ do it if you are Chevy and are bidding on Fo…

Apparently it is how it works if you go by Basecamp's words https://twitter.com/jasonfried/status/1168986962704982016 I'm making an assumption we're all talking about the ads above the results, as afaik you can't pay to shuffle the real results

You can't pay to shuffle the organic results.

As for how much you pay for a click on any specific keyword, it isn't fixed and depends on two main things. I am simplifying here.

1. How related (google thinks) your page and ad copy is to the intent behind the keyword. More related = (generally) lower cpc

2. The reserve price that google sets for that keyword.

It used to be a second price auction in that you'd only ever pay 1p above the second highest bidder. It has now changed in that there is a reserve price for each keyword based on your page, ad copy and google's valuation of that keyword. This reserve price can be lowered or raised depending on how good and related Google thinks your page and ads are. It can fluctuate lots depending on your input but if google's valuation is high you'll never get it to pennies per click.

Insurance for injury claims for example will always be more than £10 per click no matter how good your page or ad copy is. Google just knows that those conversions are worth tons so people WILL pay high cpcs for them.

So in the Ford Chevy example, Ford's page is much more related to someone searching for Ford, Google knows the intent is likely to find a ford page so ford would pay FAR less than Chevy.

Chevy's page likely isn't matching the intent that google assumes the user has so their reserve price and hence final cost per click would be much higher.

Competitor bidding on google search is expensive.

Brand protection - bidding on your own brand terms - is (in my 7 years experience doing this) always incredibly cheap, 1 or 2 pence per click.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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I'm not sure I understand the problem. There is a bookmark bar in chrome, it is only hidden when you are on a website. If you want to open a bookmark, you create a new tab, and then there is your bookmark bar.

If you need the bar to always be there, I'm sure there's an option about it I just don't agree that the bookmark bar needs to be taking up screen space 100% of the time you're browsing.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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bookmarks have low value now days

the reasons I stopped using them (and wanted to keep 'em)

1. links dont always take you back to where you were in a website (javascript) 2. links change often and end up broken 3. google search usually pulls back up what I want

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #184
post #28

I don't know about Chrome, but in Firefox: Chrome now hides the bookmark bar by default Not sure if it is the default, but my Firefox bookmark bar is always visible load common favorite news sites & blogs or load a window with all my productivity SaaS sites. Shift+Click on a bookmark folder does that pick up where i left off on a research rabbit hole Right-Click on one of the open tabs, click "select all tabs", right…

I use histre ( http://histre.com ) to accomplish this functionality, not only within Firefox but across browsers, computers, and even colleagues. My favorite feature is being able to save all tabs within a window, send a link to a co-worker, and have them open up all the tabs. It takes like 5 secs, end to end. Best of all: if they have the histre extension as well, they can instantly open all the tabs at once and eve…

Thanks! I work on https://histre.com/ and lot of users say that this feature is very useful to them. Many of them say that they use separate windows for each thing they're trying to do, and before you know it you have 10 different windows with a lot of tabs each. You can save the states of all of them and restore them selectively, as you said. https://histre.com/features/save-restore-tabs/

Bookmarks are too primitive imho. It is typically treated as just one link. It is useful to know the whole context around that. How did you get there? What else where you researching? Histre saves all that for you in a tree-style history.

On the other end of the manual work spectrum is elaborate note-taking about everything ("second brain"), keeping that organized enough to be useful etc, which takes too much time for nebulous benefit.

Histre takes care of all your knowledge management needs without making you do busywork.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #199

Because the effort to maintain a growing list of bookmarks organized is too high for most people. So most people don't use bookmarks, so browsers are trending towards putting less effort into a feature people don't use. Sometimes when I'm investing effort in looking for URLs of one particular thing I create lists of links using markdown and hosted publicly on Gist. Eg: https://gist.github.com/PierBover/0ab4326cb80f47…

> I create lists of links using markdown

text/uri-list is the superior format

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #10

You can already do all the things you ask for, in Chrome. Control+shift+B is the shortcut to hide/unhide the bookmark bar. If you unhide it, it remains visible, even next time you restart chrome. You can create bookmark folders. Then right click on the folder -> "Open all" or "Open all in new window". Etc. It's intuitive, efficient, and prominent ("Open all" is literally the FIRST item in the right-click context menu…

This 1,000%.

Also you don't even need to know a magic keyboard shortcut. On Mac at least, literally the first menu item under "View" is "Always Show Bookmarks Bar". (You can right-click on the bookmarks bar as well for a menu to keep it always visible, also intuitive.)

There's literally an entire Bookmarks menu, both in Chrome's menu and in the Mac menu bar. The third item is "Bookmark all tabs..." and below that is the list of all your bookmarks. You can also bookmark all tabs by right-clicking on the empty area of the tab bar.

Bookmark functionality is all over Chrome. It's there in every new tab page. Heck, a recent update brought a brand-new Bookmarks sidebar to Chrome as well.

Sometimes it's a legitimate complaint that features are too hidden... but in this case it seems like the poster hasn't bothered to even glance at the interface. This post makes utterly no sense.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This can be easily achieved through folders in a bookmarks toolbar. For example I have a folder called 'News' with my top 4 sites. When I open the browser, I just right-click on the 'News' folder, click on "open all bookmarks" and those sites open on a tab each. One click and half a second... very efficient! Even more efficient, you can Ctrl left click the bookmark folder, or even more even more efficient, middle c…

You'd have to find the bookmark folder first. The bookmark manager is old, crufty and hard to use. The bookmark bar is unusable with the keyboard, only usable with a mouse, and badly. Bookmarks lack metadata such as "added at date" or "added on company laptop". And don't even get me started about mobile browsers...

And history is equally bad. Internally the browser stores each individual visit to a page, and also the full history trail in case you clicked on links, but the built-in UI only shows the last visit for each URL and nothing else.

Additionally, when I do a history search, there's no way to jump from a search result back to the chronological view (though as soon as I open the result, the chronological view becomes useless anyway because it only shows the most recent visit, which after opening the page becomes of course "right now").

The problem is that quite often I might not remember the exact search terms to find a page again in my history, but can remember and find some other pages I know I visited beforehand/afterwards/etc. If I had the full chronological visit history (plus access to the link trail if necessary), I could just look through that, but with the built-in UI that's not possible.

Unfortunately, it seems that to this day, the best extension for solving this problem in Firefox predates the Webextensions cutoff and as usual the new Webextension API isn't quite set up for fully re-creating it because you can only query for visits by the exact URL, and so no modern add-on exists that is really a full replacement. Thankfully somebody hacked the original add-on to still work in modern Firefox, though of course it needs one of the Firefox varieties that are allowed to load arbitrary add-ons (https://github.com/xiaoxiaoflood/firefox-scripts/tree/master...).

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

#210

I got burned many times when losing hard drives or computers, upgrading computers, switching between computers or just using different browsers, that bookmarks tied to the browser are ephemeral and shouldn't be trusted. I effectively solve this by creating custom websites to service those needs. RSS was invented for some of those purposes and still exists today. "SaaS productivity" is out of scope for a bookmark and…

Bookmark syncing has been around for at least a decade. I haven’t worried about syncing bookmarks in Chrome since then.
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