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Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by coldtea »

ravenstine wrote: post #151
coldtea wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO, Odysee/LBRY is the most viable As a competitor? It's not even a bug on their radar... It's like waiting for Mastodon to replace Facebook and co...

I mean in terms of having lots of the creators I like on it (around 80% I'm guessing), being less likely to become censorious, and isn't a broken piece of crap. I don't give a hoot whether they are an economic competitor.

>in terms of having lots of the creators I like on it

Are you tastes in any way representative of any large segment of the population though? Like, do these creators have thousands or millions of viewers?

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by boogies »

coldtea wrote: post #201
ravenstine wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean in terms of having lots of the creators I like on it (around 80% I'm guessing), being less likely to become censorious, and isn't a broken piece of crap. I don't give a hoot whether they are an economic competitor.

> in terms of having lots of the creators I like on it Are you tastes in any way representative of any large segment of the population though? Like, do these creators have thousands or millions of viewers?

> Like, do these creators have thousands or millions of viewers?

Yes, Minute Physics and Veritasium are two examples I remember off the top of my head (not an LBRY user since I quit algorithmic video binges after abusing them possibly worse then I do HN, IRC, and assorted doomscrolling now :P).

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by hermitsings »

Apparently, Google's strategy is to target the middle class (Eric Scmhidt said in some interview) which is like the majority of population in any country. Then to give them incentives to use their platform. This worked for Youtube by giving creators money and in some countries when they wanted adoption for their payment apps, they gave back good cashbacks as rewards. The cashbacks diminished after sufficient adoption was attained.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by rendall »

ravenstine wrote: post #20

It does have competitors. IMO, Odysee/LBRY is the most viable one but only time will tell because all the competitors lack some things and have been slow to develop. The competitors have a hard time gaining traction because in the way many of us would expect because we live in a different world from when YouTube first became a thing. YouTube in 2005 was way different. You could find just about anything on there. Pran…

Would you mind listing more of these other platforms? YouTube can be so tediously, stiflingly boring.

I had not heard of Odysee/LBRY, so thanks for the tip.

LiveLeak was a bit too extreme for me, personally, though I am glad it existed, puzzled to see it go. Anything replace it?

Vimeo is nice for finding avant-garde or art videos.

There are curated, paid services for films like Mubi, Shudder and NoBudge.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by clairity »

joshuamorton wrote: post #195
clairity wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your goal seems not to understand but to defend, which is why you seem to avoid engaging in the substance of the argument, but rather resorting to an ad hominem . no one owes you feel-good esteem or deference for choosing google's hoards of cash over ethics.

When I engaged on the substance of the argument you said "you're too focused on product here, which is not strategy", which isn't a statement that can be engaged with. It's an unusual claim that you didn't justify. I've repeatedly given examples of what I believe to be more coherent strategies, and you've functionally ignored them (and yes replying with "you're not thinking about this with the right mindset" is not e…

let me be blunt: you don't understand what (business) strategy is, nor any of the dimensions of analyzing it. there's no such thing as 'product strategy'; product executes on the business strategy using marketing tactics like building features the target market wants. product features are not a strategy.

in a competitive market, there are two broad strategies available: cost (walmart) and differentiation (apple). youtube coerced its market into being favorable to itself by leveraging the anti-competitive aspects i mentioned earlier. that simply trumps product tactics, and even these two competitive market strategies; it subverts entire markets unfairly and uneconomically. i really can't teach you strategy or market economics in an hn comment; you need to go study that yourself. also, arguing from emotion is a sure-fire way to lead yourself astray.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by lurker616 »

clairity wrote: post #206
joshuamorton wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I engaged on the substance of the argument you said "you're too focused on product here, which is not strategy", which isn't a statement that can be engaged with. It's an unusual claim that you didn't justify. I've repeatedly given examples of what I believe to be more coherent strategies, and you've functionally ignored them (and yes replying with "you're not thinking about this with the right mindset" is not e…

let me be blunt: you don't understand what (business) strategy is, nor any of the dimensions of analyzing it. there's no such thing as 'product strategy'; product executes on the business strategy using marketing tactics like building features the target market wants. product features are not a strategy. in a competitive market, there are two broad strategies available: cost (walmart) and differentiation (apple). you…

It's ironic that you are the one who is getting more heated and aggressive in their replies.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by sizzle »

clairity wrote: post #206
joshuamorton wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I engaged on the substance of the argument you said "you're too focused on product here, which is not strategy", which isn't a statement that can be engaged with. It's an unusual claim that you didn't justify. I've repeatedly given examples of what I believe to be more coherent strategies, and you've functionally ignored them (and yes replying with "you're not thinking about this with the right mindset" is not e…

let me be blunt: you don't understand what (business) strategy is, nor any of the dimensions of analyzing it. there's no such thing as 'product strategy'; product executes on the business strategy using marketing tactics like building features the target market wants. product features are not a strategy. in a competitive market, there are two broad strategies available: cost (walmart) and differentiation (apple). you…

Can you point to some solid resources so I can get on your level? You sound like you know what goes on behind closed doors in the business world. Do you blog about these topics anywhere? Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by fsflover »

rendall wrote: post #205
ravenstine wrote: post #20

It does have competitors. IMO, Odysee/LBRY is the most viable one but only time will tell because all the competitors lack some things and have been slow to develop. The competitors have a hard time gaining traction because in the way many of us would expect because we live in a different world from when YouTube first became a thing. YouTube in 2005 was way different. You could find just about anything on there. Pran…

Would you mind listing more of these other platforms? YouTube can be so tediously, stiflingly boring. I had not heard of Odysee/LBRY, so thanks for the tip. LiveLeak was a bit too extreme for me, personally, though I am glad it existed, puzzled to see it go. Anything replace it? Vimeo is nice for finding avant-garde or art videos. There are curated, paid services for films like Mubi, Shudder and NoBudge.

https://joinpeertube.org

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by bullen »

SahAssar wrote: post #185
bullen wrote: post #132

Twitch is the evolution of YouTube and Twitch has an open-source competitor, the question is rather why is nobody using the competition? Look at Mixer, and in specific Shrouds transition to Mixer. Almost nobody followed him there. When he came back to Twitch he was the single biggest streamer they have ever had with 200K+ viewers. Technology is feature monopolistic as long as it's "free", the evolution always happens…

I view twitch and youtube as two completely different types of content. Twitch is livestreaming and youtube is prepared, scripted content. Sorta like 24/7 cable news channels vs a documentary or drama series. A lot of people have a preference for one or the other and I definitely prefer the latter. Especially since the "news" that happens on twitch often seems to be twitch-specific drama.

Twitch is not for news! It serves only two purposes: entertainment and community.

Large streamers have humor, but chat is completely meaningless with them.

Small streamers (mostly gamedev) are the community that is meaningful.

It's surpisingly small still, only a few thousand viewers that all watch many of the same devs.

Game development is really the only meaningful thing you can do today that does not involve energy (food, heat and water = electricity).

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