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Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by t-writescode »

paulgerhardt wrote: post #177

To combat some of the anti-curious stances in this thread are there any new cars with too much digitization? I would love something like a Tesla with a repl that I can program to do donuts; dynamically adjust the ride height from my Apple Watch, or just make the headlights flash in time to my music. Booting Urbit on the infotainment device is a bonus. Basically a modern car for a hacker that still loves technology. A…

Teslas have way too much digitalization.

Anything where you can't flip a lever somewhere on the car to turn on your windshield wipers is a bad taste, to me.

(edit: added this sentence) Another area, and I have no idea if Tesla, or any car company, does this:

Anything that constantly phones home my speed or braking dynamics or gps or any other telemetry to *anywhere* - or even stores it for more than like an hour - is too much digitalization, to me.

I probably lean more toward the "less digitalization" crowd, but I think those are things that can be seen as "too much" by most people.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by artimaeis »

ospzfmbbzr wrote: post #184
artimaeis wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a pile. Your anecdata are not in and of themselves data. Regardless of your skill, or the skill/expertise/attentiveness of any individual driver, drivers as a collective remain dangerous to themselves and pedestrians. How did I come to this conclusion? I reviewed data, here's a couple of sources: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show... https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx By all…

Generally requests in comments to cite sources or provide data are in fact simply disingenuous attempts to confuse the issue. Regardless, your datas mean nothing -- They are only guaranteed to be incorrect for each individual case. You say collectively drivers are dangerous, but the implication is that we would apply the same rule to all in the interest of 'fairness' or some other such subjective nonsense. So it's 'D…

If my attempt to cite a source is a veiled attempt to confuse the issue, then what is your citation of anecdata? And what is your context of this very argument, if not a meta-argument?

Regardless, it seems like you prefer the idea of anarchy to order on the roads. Especially since order can only come from groups which exist for enrichment through creation and enforcement of rules. I'm sure your decades of experience have proved to you that a road without laws and bureaucracy is best for all. After all, tyranny is super bad, so less tyranny is always more good!

I'll sign off with my own C.S. Lewis quote.

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts."

-- C. S. Lewis (2010). “The Voyage of the Dawn Treader”

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by chrisseaton »

HWR_14 wrote: post #111
fletchowns wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. I'm on the opposite side of this. All the new safety & driver assist features are the best part about getting a new car. I wouldn't buy a new daily driver that doesn't have blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc. Once you have these features and you are accustomed to how they work, yo…

> I wouldn't buy a new daily driver that doesn't have blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc. Once you have these features and you are accustomed to how they work, you can't go back. And I don't like them. But only one of us has the government taking away our choice by making them mandatory. I wouldn't mind them if it wasn't for the fact that they universally seem to be points of failure th…

> And I don't like them.

They're not there for you to like - they're there for the people you might kill with your car.

> the government taking away our choice...

...to plough into people with your car.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by madengr »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #104

Automotive EE here: Personally I’d recommend 2014 mid tier vehicles. Jeep, RAM, and GM trucks. 2014 is a good start for many body styles. 2018 saw regulatory changes and a lot of new body styles. A 2000-2010 is 11-21 years old now and they just don’t last that long. I can tell you there was a massive change in quality right around the time 4G/LTE/WIFI access points were added. It meant we could finish software after…

>>>A 2000-2010 is 11-21 years old now and they just don’t last that long.

Ha ha, well of course if it's a Jeep, RAM, or GM. A Toyota truck is just being broke in.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by jccalhoun »

kgermino wrote: post #15

They don't sell them in the US anymore, but I drive a 2019 Honda Fit and it's great. Very versatile (holds four adults, 8ft lumber, 36" doors, etc). The base trim is very tech-lite: bluetooth radio but nothing fancier than that, physically controlled hvac and chair controls, traditional key, basic LTMS (no dedicated chips in the tires, just a calculation based on different angular velocity across the wheels), etc. It…

I got hit in an accident this summer and my 2009 Fit got totaled. I'm ok but I miss that car. If they brought it back I would ditch the car I bought in a heartbeat for one.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by asdff »

worik wrote: post #92
fletchowns wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. I'm on the opposite side of this. All the new safety & driver assist features are the best part about getting a new car. I wouldn't buy a new daily driver that doesn't have blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc. Once you have these features and you are accustomed to how they work, yo…

I agree that is all good (blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc). The collection of driver behaviour, and GPS, data is not

these base model cars, your hubcap clad toyota yaris et al, do not have gps much less a data connection

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by ospzfmbbzr »

artimaeis wrote: post #202
ospzfmbbzr wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally requests in comments to cite sources or provide data are in fact simply disingenuous attempts to confuse the issue. Regardless, your datas mean nothing -- They are only guaranteed to be incorrect for each individual case. You say collectively drivers are dangerous, but the implication is that we would apply the same rule to all in the interest of 'fairness' or some other such subjective nonsense. So it's 'D…

If my attempt to cite a source is a veiled attempt to confuse the issue, then what is your citation of anecdata? And what is your context of this very argument, if not a meta-argument? Regardless, it seems like you prefer the idea of anarchy to order on the roads. Especially since order can only come from groups which exist for enrichment through creation and enforcement of rules. I'm sure your decades of experience…

I believe in people wanting to not die generally.

Well at least you used a CS Lewis quote. That made me smile.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by OneLeggedCat »

throw8932894 wrote: post #35

Lada Niva 4x4. Old school soviet, but modernized car. With airconditioning and some modern gimmicks. Very easy to fix and maintain. Good fuel economy, some versions even pass Euro 5 emission limits. I liked WW2 jeeps and their simplicity, this seems like modern equivalent.

I am discovering so many neat cars in this thread.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Post by jccalhoun »

Like many industries, the automobile industry is going through production shortages. So it is a terrible time to buy a car and certainly a terrible time to buy a lower end car because, from what I've heard, automobile makers are dealing with the shortage by only making their more expensive models because there is more profit in them.
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