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Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Re: Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Post by philwelch »

jedberg wrote: post #166
philwelch wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Amazon, really? Amazon ships physical goods to your house in exchange for money--they aren't dependent on advertising. Even Google landed on advertising as a monetization technique but existed before it and easily could have been a sustainable business without it (though not the behemoth it has become).

Google existed before ads but had no revenue. Ads are the only thing that kept it alive other than investor money.

I might have overstated a bit. Ads were obviously a sufficient revenue source, but provide far more revenue that is necessary for the core search engine. It’s possible some other revenue source might have been sufficient to support the search engine, even if not as lucrative.

Re: Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Post by brundolf »

generalizations wrote: post #199
brundolf wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Port forwarding + static IP. And don't be so sure that it's trivial; despite having taken a course on the network stack I'd have to do some research to figure out port-forwarding and get it set up correctly. Normal people's response would be, "What's a port? Like the holes on the back of the computer?" In an IPv6 world you could have a free program you download that gives you an interface like Squarespace except you…

Is there any way to get there from where we are now? Seems like even with ipv6 we still have to use routers.

My understanding is it would be hard/impossible to get everyone to IPv6 at this point because there will always be a long tail of devices that aren't there yet, and we can't just jettison those from the internet

But yeah, I think even if everything magically changed to v6 overnight, we'd still be stuck with NAT to a large extent because so much is tangled up in it at this point. For one, it probably makes it easier for ISPs to bill their customers. Especially the dynamic-IP side of things.

Re: Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Post by herbst »

breck wrote: post #74

2-D syntax everywhere. It's a 2-dimensional binary. Suddenly the intermediate layers between binary and the higher level langs we work with day in and day out have the same form. For example, 2d langs for HTML, CSS, JSON, others: https://jtree.treenotation.org/designer/ A 2D lang that replaces Markdown: http://scroll.pub/ You can have 2D langs for TCP/IP, DNS, HTTP, et cetera. A grid is all you need. I figured the ma…

What is making Scrolldown more 2d than markdown? Is it just the extendibility? The intends?

I don't think I fully understand your concept

I also noticed your example grammar often contains a lot of js code. So it's not intended as different language but as data model with built in JavaScript? Kinda like a more modern XSLT?

Re: Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Post by FranchuFranchu »

Animats wrote: post #122

Changes I would have made in the early days: - 48-bit static IP addresses. 70 trillion should be enough. 128 bits was overkill. - Nodes, not interfaces, have IP addresses, so you can use multiple paths. - IPSEC available but initially optional. - Explicit congestion notification, so packet loss and congestion loss can be distinguished. - Everything on the wire is little-endian, byte oriented, and twos complement. - Y…

I'd include some extra bits in IP addresses to eliminate NAT

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Post by raarts »

paulcole wrote: post #170
d--b wrote: post #97

Honestly I think it couldn’t have gone a lot better... The worst that happened to the internet is Google becoming evil. The internet circa 2000 was mind blowing.

Just curious, how old were you circa 2000?

Not GP but I was 40. You?

Re: Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Post by FranchuFranchu »

pmontra wrote: post #165

> How are you going to make the Internet better? Anything that allows me to send files to a device of a person I know on a direct connection without a service in between and regardless of our locations in the world. Still an unsolved problem AFAIK.

If you're both connected to the Internet and NAT didn't exist, you could run a small server and he could get your files

Re: Ask HN: You have one shot to redesign the Internet – what do you change?

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Post by science4sail »

Animats wrote: post #122

Changes I would have made in the early days: - 48-bit static IP addresses. 70 trillion should be enough. 128 bits was overkill. - Nodes, not interfaces, have IP addresses, so you can use multiple paths. - IPSEC available but initially optional. - Explicit congestion notification, so packet loss and congestion loss can be distinguished. - Everything on the wire is little-endian, byte oriented, and twos complement. - Y…

> 48-bit static IP addresses. 70 trillion should be enough. 128 bits was overkill.

What if humanity becomes a Kardashev type-2 or an interstellar civilization? In that case the population of humans, much less computers, could easily succeed 70 trillion.

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