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Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#201
Here's what I've recently done, which has helped me tremendously (for a few months), and which you may find helps you as well.

When I got a new phone, I decided that I would only ever allow certain behaviors with it, and exclude all addictive behaviors. The trick: I kept my old phone, and allowed myself to continue my addictive phone behaviors, but only on my old phone. For my new phone, I've built a habit of reading books (via Kobo and Overdrive), and taking photos.

I also allow video chats, and basic messaging, and navigation. Everything else -- checking email, reading the news, browsing Facebook -- continues on my old phone. I've found that, over time, the addictive behaviors have lessened a lot. I still read the news on my old phone, but I often forget where it is, sometimes for a couple of days.

I think this has worked, because I've not tried to stop my addictive behaviors, which is an uphill battle. Instead, I've allowed them, while also building new (and better) habits on my new phone. I keep my new phone with me, and spend a lot of time reading on it, which I see as a good thing

I'll often spend 15 to 20 hours, or more, reading books on my phone. For me, that's great. I've done more reading (high quality reading) than ever before, since I've started this strategy. I'm hopeful that it will continue indefinitely, though there are no guarantees.

If I need to do something useful, or just lazy/addictive, I let myself do it, but on my old phone. I do sometimes enjoy, and benefit, from reading the news on my phone, or checking my email on my phone. I don't have to expend a lot of willpower preventing myself from doing this. I have to spend a little bit of willpower making sure it only happens on the old device. So far, this has been a very effective, and relatively easy strategy, and my addictive/wasteful phone use has gradually and consistently dropped to a very low level.

TLDR; Step 1: keep your phone as is, don't lockdown or brick it. Step 2: get a new phone, and choose the behaviors you want on it. Be strict about this. Step 3: allow the old bad habits to continue only on your old phone.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

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One of the steps for overcoming alcoholism is getting the alcohol out of your house. Phone addiction is the same way, it definitely takes hard work and discipline on the part of the user, but there needs to be a way to get rid of your phone or at least the functionality that makes it addictive, without losing essential utility like keeping in contact with people, or in OP's case a mobile-only bank account

The distracting sites mentioned in the OP exist on desktop as well.

On desktop is much easier to do what OP is asking, a la network tricks mentioned in a sibling comment, editing your computer's hosts file, or other measures.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#203
One thing that has helped me is to ask myself do these things make me happy/feel good? The answer is usually no, and by asking the question, it makes it easier to put down and stay off of it.

Another thing to try is to avoid pulling out your phone when you are idling. Try to get more comfortable being alone with your own thoughts rather than trying to have a constant drip of content from your phone.

It's unfortunate that we've created a world focused on capturing and selling our attention. For example, as various authors have noted, infinite scroll is really more of an antifeature. With traditional paging, people usually only go through the first few pages at most and then stop looking at it. How many people go beyond page 4 of HN? Probably a lot less people than if HN was a single stream of content.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#204
I'm with OP in their diagnosis of the problem. Other commenters seem to focus on "tricks". The problem with these tricks is that they can all be bypassed and you always go back to normal. Would you suggest someone who wants to quit smoking just keep cigarettes in their pocket and just snap a rubber and on their wrist when they want one? Of course not, that is just asking to relapse. Self-control is a finite resource. Eventually, you stop using the rubber band and just continue smoking as before.

I've long thought that what we need is a forked Android distribution without a web browser and with a whitelist of apps that can be installed. Something of an "addiction-free phone". I'd be curious to hear if anyone is working on anything like this. It's certainly something I would want. To be honest, I'd pay a lot for it.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#205
Maybe picking up a hobby, outdoor activity, or workout program could help?

Obviously I have no idea about your situation, not whether these are realistic for you, but there are two reasons I’m suggesting these.

1- Exercise has been frequently shown to be as beneficial as medication for anxiety and other problems, and of course it’s harder to use hands for phone stuff while they’re in use doing other things. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/can-exercise-help-treat-...

2- I personally tried to lose weight all my life and finally figured out that redirecting my activities and mentally recalibrating my expectations was the key to success. I’m speculating maybe the same mentality could help you. Trying to lock down my eating was setting up an impossible expectation to try and control temptations, that shamed any lapses. Realizing that feeling stuffed was bad and that I was supposed to feel less stuffed, and figuring out how to recalibrate made it so much easier to actually do, and even figure out how to allow myself treats and overages while still making progress.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#206
Leave your phone permanently plugged in to the charging cable, somewhere that is not comfortable or particularly convenient to use it (e.g. nowhere to sit down). That way you can use your phone as much as you need when you need to, but you will be disincentivized to stand there on it for longer than you should.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#207
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Wired suggested using grayscale mode to help make the phone less engaging. On iOS, I believe you can find it under Accessibility > Display & Text Size > Color Filters. https://www.wired.com/story/grayscale-ios-android-smartphone...

Seconded. On iPhone 8, you can also set it to enable/disable Color Filters via triple tapping the home button.

For eye strain, use the Reduce White Point setting combined with minimum brightness at night.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#208

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I like your idea of offline paper-based programming for side projects and one-man-projects. However it becomes very difficult to do any of that in a group of people in the middle of a pendamic. But will give it a try. Thanks!

Why would it be difficult? You just use a pen to bring your algorithms or designs on paper. And optional you print out code you are currently working on. That works when working alone, but also with many people. Because of course in the end - you use the computer to actually type your code in.

That makes sense but I can understand it being disruptive in group projects because any change to the method effects the whole group. If you're used to remote designing in a group call with Google docs or something, trying to go to pen and paper just wouldn't be possible until everyone was in the same place again.

For single person things though I definitely understand and respect the utility.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

#210

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Can't recommend this highly enough! The only calls and texts that break through are from contacts; the only notifications that require my attention are from apps I explicitly allowed to do so. From time to time I expect calls from unknown numbers (e.g. recruiters) and have to disable DnD mode - it's just unbearable how much crap starts demanding my attention!

Every time I visit my parents and observe their phones, I can't believe how anyone can live with it. All the notifications lighting up your phone every minute, all the dinging and buzzing for your attention. 7 unread messages! 8! Now 10!! Ding ding ding! New reply on your Facebook message! Ding ding! It's like living on the Las Vegas strip. I'd be a basket case if I had to go a day with all those demanding interrupti…

I start going crazy visiting family too. Beeps and boops everywhere: phone notifications and ringing, the washer and dryer play electronic tunes, every external door makes the alarm system make an alert sound when it opens. Kitchen timers and microwaves. A driveway sensor goes off when anything arrives (plus false alarms). Somewhat related: the tv always on, generally including commercials.

Plus my own stuff: the car’s beeps from lock/unlock, opening the door with keys or not putting on the seatbelt fast enough. My phone if I’m on call. My work computer’s email and chat.

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