Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

news.ycombinator.com

201–210 of 210 posts

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#201
post #69

Steps, I've taken in order. 0. Removing myself from all active WhatsApp groups. 1. Setting the WhatsApp status to 'Message me on Signal or Email me' and not responding to non-important messages till they message on Signal or Email me. 2. When someone asks if we can continue our conversation on WhatsApp, politely informing them that I don't use WhatsApp and asking them to message on Signal. 3. Setting a Tasker auto re…

Do we need a webbrowser base proxy for WhatsApp to Signal (and other chat platforms)? Run it on webbrowser at home / cloud instance and proxy msgs but drop all FB trackings? Any pro/con to this approach?

If you are ready to put in a separate instance to handle WhatsApp, then a separate mobile with Tasker to forward the WhatsApp message to email or other client is the easiest thing to do.

If not separate hardware, Android VM or Anbox would theoretically work but would be of more hassle considering WhatsApp actively detects 3rd party ROMS and android VMs/Anbox are not generally stable.

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#204
post #5

I tried asking my parents to switch to Signal, but it did not fly. They are in their 70s and are used to WhatsApp. They don't care about privacy. My Mom yelled at me for endorsing Signal to her. She said: "All my friends are on WhatsApp. I don't want to install another app just because of one person."

Funnily enough my story is the opposite - I don't care very much but my Dad (72) just announced to my brother and I that he's moving to Signal and we need to follow him over there...

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reputable AdTech firms is comparable to responsible tobacco firms, both are peddling unhealthy goods, both try to whitewash their image by claiming to be above the fray. Also, it's actually in a user's best interest to allow the data to be shared. Otherwise doctors will see ads about vaping and fishers will see ads about the latest JavaScript IDEs - no, just no. First of all I can only assume that doctors are more li…

> In short, there is no need for active profiling. Active profiling is needed so that tobacco ads do not show up in your kids' newsfeed. > b) to make sure they don't see any ad, period. Nobody likes ads, but there are millions of businesses with ads being the only revenue source. No ads - no service. It's not because site owners want to show you ads, it's because they cannot sustain without not showing you these ads.

> Active profiling is needed so that tobacco ads do not show up in your kids' newsfeed.

Apart from the targeted ads there exist context-based ads (just like in the newspapers from your example). Show me a scientific proof that the former work better.

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be careful with 4a. Setting it as default SMS client prevents to get 2FA tokens from applications like Amazon, Dropbox, Paypal, or at least, they come with a huge delay.

How come? SMS client functions independent of the GSM stack, I haven't faced any issues due to Signal being the SMS client for several years now.

As I switched back to the default SMS app, "magically" all the 2FA tokens are delivered in less than 10 seconds.

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#207
post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the old days people used to write letters and send them in the post. Imagine that. Anyone could hack into a letter, and they were rarely even ever encrypted. Scary.

Yeah but no one kept tabs on who all you were sending letters to and who all were sending letters to you, and what you were writing in those letters and so on so that they could show ads to you...

You’d think.

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#208
post #159

(serious) can someone explain to me how widespread WhatsApp is in your social circles? I'm unaware of a single individual that I know using WhatsApp and I only used it for a brief window of a few weeks when I (in Indiana) and a guy in Australia attempted to do a podcast together over a decade ago. Is this big with folks outside of the United States? Is it something that is largely used in the tech community? My frien…

It heavily depends on the country people are in. In the USA and Canada, Facebook Messenger is by far the most popular, but globally, WhatsApp has the most active users. See: https://www.messengerpeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/s... https://www.messengerpeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/s...

Too bad SMS / MMS weren't included on that map. That's by far the most popular messaging option in my general area (where data is expensive, and unlimited texts common).

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#209
post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the old days people used to write letters and send them in the post. Imagine that. Anyone could hack into a letter, and they were rarely even ever encrypted. Scary.

Yeah but no one kept tabs on who all you were sending letters to and who all were sending letters to you, and what you were writing in those letters and so on so that they could show ads to you...

Don't think I woulda thought about it this way, pretty interesting perspective

Re: Ask HN: How would you convince your friends and family to switch from WhatsApp?

#210
post #15

In my country (Mexico) it'll be pretty much impossible, everyone uses WA/Messenger (both FB owned) many businesses/stores have support via those channels (and that support is almost always faster than calling them) Also my appartament building has a WA group where people notifies important stuff. And to add insult to perjury most data plans include WA/Messenger/FB free. I tried years ago (2014-15) to stay telegram on…

Could be worse like in Myanmar where Facebook IS this internet.
Post reply on HN