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Re: Ask HN: How to learn sales?

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Engineer turned B2B founder here. I've sold to a lot of large $100M+/year businesses at this point, so feel decently qualified to answer this question. The top three things that helped me:

1. Listen to yourself pitch. Ask people you talk to if it's OK to record the pitch and then listen to it repeatedly and take notes. It will be painful, and you'll notice so many things you hate, but you will get better. This is the number one thing that helped me get better.

2. Understand your customer. Really understand them. What are their hopes with buying your product? What are their fears if they make the wrong choice, or no choice at all? The stuff that's really at the core of these questions-- it's deep, personal, often embarrassing stuff people won't just tell you. Getting at this sort of thing is a skill. If you do it well, you'll not only sell better, you'll have a better sales process, and probably a better product.

3. Read Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28815.Influence) by Robert Cialdini. If you're a former engineer, you'll especially love this book. It helps you understand how people tick, including yourself, and some of the techniques your competition are probably using.

Finally, don't be an asshole. It's so easy when you get good at sales to view the sale itself as the goal. It shouldn't be. The goal should be solving the customer's problem. Getting the sale is the first step, but make sure you only get it if you can genuinely help the customer-- if the customer will be thrilled they bought from you a month from now. The world has too many assholes willing to sell people the wrong thing for them. Don't be another one.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn sales?

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Besides al the tricks and books that others recommended, I love to: 1. Enumerate the limitations of my product with brutal honesty, that is obviously against my interest as seller. 2. Put clearly my interest as seller to make a sell so I tell to my customers that my opinions and advices are deeply flawed. So this way clearly I can lose a customer but almost always a I win a friend, and I always end with more info from my customers that my competitors and I close more difficult sales. Is not Advice that you find in the typical sales book but it gives you a lot of power over your customers

Re: Ask HN: How to learn sales?

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Has jumped into that boat with the identical background a couple month ago. Here some resources I found useful to do first B2B sales and get a general understanding of the process. 1. Peter Levine course of sales for tech entrepreneurs https://a16z.com/2018/09/02/sales-startups-technical-founder... 2. Steve Blank's 4 steps to the epiphany https://www.amazon.com/Four-Steps-Epiphany-Steve-Blank/dp/09... 3. Close.io Saa…

What is an educational feedback loop and how can one accelerate it?

Re: Ask HN: How to learn sales?

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Both my wife and my ex are very successful in sales. Both worked in B2B sales for large companies you probably heard of. Both had science degrees but are not overly analytical. I currently work in Finance supporting the Commercial team for a division of a $20B business. Here’s what I see that makes people successful:

1) wife and ex are not what you would think are first glance as sales people. Far from pushy, one a bit shy, neither big networkers. However, when It comes to the job, they always do what they say they will do, when they say they will do it, the way they say they will do it. Their customers (well most anyway) love working with them because they get a prompt response and follow through on commitments. When a problem occurs, my wife is on it and doesn’t rest until it’s fixed.

2). You need to make it about your customer, not you. The sooner you realize helping your customer helps you, the more successful you will be. I’ve worked at large companies where salespeople only do what’s in their goals and bonus. Unless you are lucky, this will backfire.

3). Be interested in who you sell to. I work at a company that sells chemicals, some of which they could get elsewhere. The relationships the sales team build are amazing. They know everything about their customers personally and I’m impressed with the little details our commercial team remembers.

4) know everything about your product, from how it’s made to who makes it, what’s it cost to make, how does your accounts payable team pay bills for you materials, how does sourcing buy those materials and from who, etc. no question is too detailed!

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Heads up. The foundingsales website took my username and password but did not give me access to the material. Instead its putting me through a "Buy the Book" or "Register to Read" cycle.

That’s odd. There’s a couple dozen people on the site right now. What browser are you using? Sounds like maybe a Memberspace issue with a config you have? Check to see which of these chapters you can access: https://www.foundingsales.com/table-of-contents

Having problems with Firefox + Linux. Works ok on Chrome + Linux.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn sales?

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The first thing to learn is that sales is a very wide of range of activities that require different skill sets and aptitudes.

Selling an EMR to a hospital, selling pharmaceuticals to a doctor, sell used cars, selling insurance at circuit city, or selling customer software development are all sales jobs but put someone who is successful at one into another job and very likely they would struggle.

Even selling software is very different. Some important attributes to consider are

"who you are selling to?" Selling to Walmart is very different from selling to Joe who runs his own plumbing company. They make decisions differently, what they care about is different, how many people you need to convince to make a sale is different.

"how much does what you sell cost?" This will determine what sales strategies are viable. If you are selling something that is $100 sales is closer to "marketing will tell you to give me a call" vs selling something that's $100,000 will allow you to pursue more hands on strategies.

"why would someone buy your product?" The big reasons people buy things are to drive up revenue, drive down cost, or reduce risk. How and who you sell these things to differs.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn sales?

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The biggest difference between sales and engineering is the concept of closing. Engineering or research work is never completed. We are always improving and perfecting the machine. Closing needs to be thought of binary. This doesn't necessarily mean via contract. Good sales people will close the sale well before anything need to be signed. An expert sales person understands the customer's psychology and leaves them t…

I don’t understand what you mean by “good sales people will close before anything is signed” any good sales person will tell you that before you have money in the bank the client can still not pay they can even sign something and back out.

Obviously the difference is between 'customer has placed order' and 'customer will buy'. Great salespeople will use their energy and skill to achieve the latter with high probability of conversion. They do not need to hound the customer about signing/paying. They have closed and move to the next.
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