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Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

#201

"Lazy" is just another way of saying that you're not doing something somebody else thinks you should be doing. Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. If you like doing it, you do it. You can't be lazy. You can only be lazy in some kind of context where you or others judge you and find you wanting. So two pieces of advice. First, stop judging so much. Do what you love doing and don't feel the…

> Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food.

I cannot disagree more. You can be lazy about something that brings enjoyment. Laziness is stagnation without regard for enjoyment or perceptions. In other words it is the opposite of ambition or progression. For example you can enjoy playing video games and yet become lazy about it through a lack of effort in that a decline of related goals does not necessarily translate into lower interest or participation.

Spinning the subject into something entirely unrelated, such as sensitivity or self-esteem, completely misses the point and could actually be really harmful advise. If you wish to focus upon or improve enjoyment, self-esteem, or emotional well being the do so with great deliberation but not because you have confused those with effort.

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Think of mental laziness as a lack of mental exercise. Mental exercise, such as tough decisions, actually burn more calories and impact your overall physiology. The only way to fight mental laziness is to increase your own self awareness with a goal for self improvement over time, like working out the rest of your body. Some helpful tools are reminders, taking notes, reviewing prior decisions, and advice from other people.

To fight mental laziness I recommend focusing on these criteria:

* criticality - don’t be afraid to ask questions and seek greater learning

* originality - try something new. A new approach may require a far lower effort and yet may cause anxiety. Confront and appreciate that anxiety directly as part your increased self-awareness

* empathy - empathy is the cognitive exercise of perceiving the situations of other people. Do not confuse it for sympathy, the process of sharing an emotional response. Empathy requires deliberate effort and often does not result in sympathetic state

* deliberation - own your decisions. Take credit for all decisions without fear. If you are afraid to associate a decision with your reputation then somebody will make the decision for you. It is better to make a wrong decision early than to put that decision off to a future time. A wrong decision in the short term results in learning that can result in corrective decisions that would otherwise be absent.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I had a similar problem where the the bigger / the more complex the task in front of me was, the more my brain resisted to getting started and the more i procrasitnated. I came up with a fundamentally "agile" solution: break the problems down into smaller tasks until the first task is too small to offer resistance. E.g. rather than "write architecture specification", start with "outline the heads for architecture spe…

Same. I open my favorite moleskin A4 5mm graph notebook (graph paper is the only correct paper for notebooks btw), which is a treat to write on, I grab my favorite pen and start listing the tiniest, smallest steps I can make towards the solution. Like "Open IDE and two terminals and point terminals to correct branch". First, I enjoy the process - moleskin + favorite pen. Second, my brain started to think about the ta…

have you tried dot-grid paper? All the benefits of graph paper (easy to draw lines and boxes, and have a straight edge to write along) but the "grid" fades into the background. Come to the dot grid side. We've got better drawings. ;)

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Same. I open my favorite moleskin A4 5mm graph notebook (graph paper is the only correct paper for notebooks btw), which is a treat to write on, I grab my favorite pen and start listing the tiniest, smallest steps I can make towards the solution. Like "Open IDE and two terminals and point terminals to correct branch". First, I enjoy the process - moleskin + favorite pen. Second, my brain started to think about the ta…

I tried notebooks, but my writing is poor and I don't enjoy it. I usually stick with just opening a text document and writing bulletpoints. I can express myself a lot faster as well that way. Mind you I probably write too much thanks to being a pretty fast typist.

I'm a fast typist too (about 600CPM) but I can't draw as fast on a computer as I can on a piece of paper. To me, paper still beats a computer for the initial 'idea' gathering because I like to just write anywhere on the paper and connect lines, circle important things, etc..

A computer is a great tool for documenting important things that I need to keep, but for scheduling my day I just use a notebook. I can browse through them for a couple of days but most pages will not be needed in a few weeks from now.

The important stuff that comes from this I do digitize with a tool like draw.io. Which I hate to use actually, it's not user-friendly to me, but it's what we use at work.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I had a similar problem where the the bigger / the more complex the task in front of me was, the more my brain resisted to getting started and the more i procrasitnated. I came up with a fundamentally "agile" solution: break the problems down into smaller tasks until the first task is too small to offer resistance. E.g. rather than "write architecture specification", start with "outline the heads for architecture spe…

Very good advice, additionally, I would build habits that help you get things accomplished. For example, get up early every day, get ready and go directly to an area where the only thing you do is work on your tasks and you force yourself to accomplish at least a task while you are there. It's amazing how your point of view changes once you don't have to think about what you will do next and when you will do it. “Eig…

I created a dedicated linux user for remote work. Other than the fact that I do not have to install the same software twice its almost like owning two computers that are isolated from each other.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I was diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago when I was 30. I tried a few medications. When I as on Vyvanse, I noticed similar personality changes as what you described. Most notably, my sense of humour suffered. (And before on dexamphetamine, I was really grumpy when it wore off. So I did get into fights.) Things got better after I changed to methylphenidate. For me, it's milder in the side effects. Modafinil and nicot…

I know that the plural of anecdote is not data, but modafinil can have some not-so-mild side effects. I have been pretty healthy my whole life, exercise regularly and eat a healthy diet, never had any allergy nor anything alike... until I took (ar)modafinil. After 2-3 weeks of occasional consumption (1 pill every 2/3 days) I started with a mouth full of ulcers (aphthae), which progressed to a full-body rash. Apparent…

That does sound pretty worrying!

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

#206

I'm going to guess that you're going to get more mileage out of cutting something out of your life than in adopting yet another mindset, habit, drug or whatever. Some possible things that might work: * youtube/netflix * social media * news * sugar * video games These are the things your brain goes towards automatically as an easier "win" than in facing the harder problem. Cutting them out will leave room for you to f…

ADHD can be exacerbated by low energy. Some psychiatrists recommend eating sugar to help maintain focus. As for the other stuff, if I cut those out I get miserable and more easily bored. Better to use them as carrots; "if I do 45 minutes of coding I can play 1 game of Rocket League."

That requires quite a bit of discipline to keep with the "just one game". Or, I'm just too addicted to video games, but I don't see that working for me.

Work time is for work, and after work I can game. If I need a break during work I'd rather just read hackernews for a bit. Less addictive :P

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Q: "How do I overcome mental laziness?"

A: Do the thing you feel you're suppose to do, and not the thing that you're currently doing.

It really is that simple. While you have spent the time writing about how not to be mentally lazy and reading comments on possible answers, you've could've - knocked out a chapter or two in a certification book - built that module you've pushed aside - pursue working on a weakness that you feel is holding you back

Fortunately/unfortunately, the onus falls on you to reach your goals (whatever it may be). So, just do it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

#208
post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago when I was 30. I tried a few medications. When I as on Vyvanse, I noticed similar personality changes as what you described. Most notably, my sense of humour suffered. (And before on dexamphetamine, I was really grumpy when it wore off. So I did get into fights.) Things got better after I changed to methylphenidate. For me, it's milder in the side effects. Modafinil and nicot…

What was the diagnosis process like? I'm in my early 30s and have been putting off trying to get an ADHD diagnosis (and medication) even though the symptoms clearly resonate, because I'm concerned that I'll be dismissed as just seeking pills. In college I tried to get diagnosed and was dismissed as lazy and just seeking a prescription. Did you have to deal with any of that skepticism?

I was lucky that I was living in Australia at the time where adult ADHD seems to be taken more serious by shrinks than in most other parts of the world. I also splurged and saw the shrink privately.

So the diagnosis process was mostly answering lots of questions and filling out some questionnaires.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

#209

You don't climb a mountain by thinking about mountains then making a huge epic trek in a couple of leaps. You climb a mountain by taking one step at a time. You have to take thousands of steps to reach the top of a mountain. Not every step is going to be perfect, or even pretty. Some will go in the wrong direction and you'll need to backtrack. Some will be missteps that might hurt. But if you keep making a concerted…

Mountain climbing seems like a bad metaphor because you very much do need to prepare in advance for the whole trek. You won't be able to buy food and a radio once you're already stuck in a cave with no equipment. I don't do mountain climbing and could be completely wrong though.

Maybe a long trek like the El Camino is a better metaphor. The idea is to look just one step in front of you and not think about the entire distance.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

#210

Some people here suggest you might have ADHD. I encourage you to consider this, but suggest for you to be very skeptical towards this possibility. You can find extended discussion on this here: [1]. Focus first on fundamentals like sleep, exercise, diet, good social and romantic ties. Even if just one of your fundamentals is off, it might cause your brain to tell you “Hey, you want for me to put some long, hard, focu…

I like this theory.. one may feel unconsciously that the "distractions" are a better/more promising way of meeting the unmet needs, in comparison to what the conscious mind wants to do.
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