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Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by tablet »

wingerlang wrote: post #198
dboskovic wrote: post #167

This just launched the other day but I thought it was pretty up there: https://fibery.io We use https://retool.com Honorable mention to my own startup https://flatfile.io if you're trying to skip past the data import problem.

> https://fibery.io I've clicked through all of their product overviews and I still don't have a clear understanding of what it is. If it just launched -- have you actually used it enough to get value out of it? The whole point seems to be that it evolves (??) as a company grows but like I said I don't fully get it still.

Well, real value is that you can build internal tools quickly and connect them. As an example, you can have software development and product management apps in Fibery to track these processes and connect Features from product management to Tasks in software development.

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by gitgud »

crabl wrote: post #157
gitgud wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure darklang improves productivity. But the cost of that productivity is absolute vendor lock-in... Darklang is a proprietary framework where the ENTIRE stack... even the IDE! is controlled by a specific company. Just be weary of this, when depending on it.

That's very true, but for me that's an acceptable tradeoff for not having to write much code or spin up a database, docker container, load balancer, or worry about security. Dark is great for getting a project off the ground and getting to the "proof of concept" stage: for me, there is tremendous value in getting there sooner rather than wasting a bunch of time doing things that are tangential to creating the product…

True, it's great for prototypes, but remember that their incentive is for you to remain on the platform as your project gets bigger.

Therefore you're likely to have extreme difficulty in moving off the platform as your system grows. Which means either a complete rebuild off the platform, or the easier option... Stay on the platform.

So the ultimate options are; either choose open-source flexible solutions, or remain shackled to the proprietary platforms...

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by sneak »

GonzaloQuero wrote: post #193
sneak wrote: post #186

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You're absolutely right when you offer that the majority of people are not directly harmed by practices that are discriminatory. Discrimination is almost always aimed at circumstances that affect a minority of people. It seems that you believe that you benefit from Discord's gatekeeping. I'm glad it seems to be working out for you. If it wasn't, however, how would you know?

Sorry, but no, you don't get to play a discrimination card here, because if we do, we're almost mocking people who are under real discrimination. You don't agree with Discord's practices and lack of privacy, something which, by the way, I agree with you, and as such, decide not to use it. They are not discriminating against you, you're the one deciding not to use their service. To me, it sounds the same as if you don…

The people doing the discrimination are the groups that choose Discord as their communications tool.

They are excluding all users who can’t get Discord accounts, such as those who can’t agree to the Discord TOS, for example. Free software projects and other public benefit groups should not be discriminatory.

They’re also banning political cartoons within their group’s communications, by implicit inclusion of the Discord TOS which bans several common, normal, reasonable types of communication.

I’m a paying member of a local nonprofit organization; they use Discord exclusively to communicate. I am excluded from all of the discussions as a result of my not being able to safely get a Discord account. That’s discrimination whether you like to acknowledge it or not.

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by ratww »

DeathArrow wrote: post #194
ratww wrote: post #190

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With plain PostgreSQL you have to write your own backend logic to access the database. The whole point of Hasura is exposing your DB via a GraphQL API with some bells and whistles (like authorization). About lock-in... it's open source software, so you're as locked in as you'd be with, say, Rails or Django. It doesn't do anything special to PostgreSQL so you can always rewrite the API later from scratch, or build som…

With some frameworks (i.e. ASP.NET core) you already have authentication and authorization middleware if you need them and you can use an ORM to map data objects to tables and query the DB with ease. What benefits would be using the DB over a GraphQL API?

Well, not having to implement and maintain anything is a huge plus, especially when you have a large number of tables :)

Also, Hasura has some bells and whistles that would be a bit of a PITA to implement using traditional MVC frameworks, like per-column authorization, and, of course, the GraphQL to SQL translator.

> What benefits would be using the DB over a GraphQL API?

And I'd say that the biggest advantage of GraphQL is allowing customized payloads.

Say you need a list of users ids + emails in one page, and a list with ids + names + emails in other. In REST you either need to waste some bytes, have two endpoints, or use some conditional to show/hide the field.

With GraphQL you just have to ask for the fields you want.

The same applies to joins: you either add extra endpoints, extra logic, or the user has to make multiple requests. With GraphQL you can have custom joins.

Btw, if you still don't think that GraphQL is an advantage to you, I recommend checking its cousin-project PostgREST :)

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by kennydude »

gavinray wrote: post #15

Hasura by far, lets you point-and-click build your database and table relationships with a web dashboard and autogenerates a full GraphQL CRUD API with permissions you can configure and JWT/webhook auth baked-in. https://hasura.io/ I've been able to build in a weekend no-code what would've taken my team weeks or months to build by hand, even with something as productive as Rails. It automates the boring stuff and you…

Forest Admin looks really nice, but I wish you could host the admin UI yourself. Not a fantastic impression for clients if Forest (for whatever reason) suddenly stops offering it's service and your admin panel vanishes into thin air :(

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Post by GonzaloQuero »

sneak wrote: post #203
GonzaloQuero wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but no, you don't get to play a discrimination card here, because if we do, we're almost mocking people who are under real discrimination. You don't agree with Discord's practices and lack of privacy, something which, by the way, I agree with you, and as such, decide not to use it. They are not discriminating against you, you're the one deciding not to use their service. To me, it sounds the same as if you don…

The people doing the discrimination are the groups that choose Discord as their communications tool. They are excluding all users who can’t get Discord accounts, such as those who can’t agree to the Discord TOS, for example. Free software projects and other public benefit groups should not be discriminatory. They’re also banning political cartoons within their group’s communications, by implicit inclusion of the Disc…

But that's the thing: You CAN agree to the TOS, you just choose to not, unless I'm severely misunderstanding your situation and you're in real, physical danger if you create a Discord account. For the sake of a better argument, can you clarify if you're in danger, or physically unable to create an account, or if it's a privacy choice, please?

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Post by thrownaway954 »

paulgb wrote: post #107
thrownaway954 wrote: post #54

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How do you get around the number of fetch limitations?

I'm hitting at a rate of 2/hour, it hasn't been an issue.

how are you accomplishing that? Does Google sheets have a scheduler built into it? Long running timer?

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by benhizak »

gavinray wrote: post #15

Hasura by far, lets you point-and-click build your database and table relationships with a web dashboard and autogenerates a full GraphQL CRUD API with permissions you can configure and JWT/webhook auth baked-in. https://hasura.io/ I've been able to build in a weekend no-code what would've taken my team weeks or months to build by hand, even with something as productive as Rails. It automates the boring stuff and you…

Cherre.com uses this stack. Hasura + postgres in particular. We love it.

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by CodeWithDerrick »

Not really low code but of similar concept, www.WayScript.com is great tool for those who need the low code "training wheels." But if you know how to code, they'll let you take the training wheels off and let you write full code in their editor. I'd argue there isn't a more robust solution out there than WayScript's.
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