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Re: Ask HN: Where can I buy real software companies?

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A $500k business would mean you'll end paying on average between $3-5 million for it. May I ask your rationale behind chasing these deals? Why not split the $3-5 million into risk-based chunks and invest in startups instead? You only need 1 of them to hit 50x.

I don't know why you are downvoted.

The $500k/year business does, conservatively, cost $2-3 million (using the common "5x the yearly revenue" formula).

Re: Ask HN: Where can I buy real software companies?

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post #5

I think this is going to be important now and in the future. Systems are getting so complex nobody can build something complete from scratch. I see people making high quality components and then merging or being acquired to create a whole end user product. Prior to that point, you'd have something that's not very profitable unless lots of companies license your component and do integration themselves.

So, an interesting thing I observed while building a SaaS company was that you can actually get off the ground with a very simple solution, you'll just end up serving smaller customers with relatively simple needs (say $50-100/mo.) These initial folks will pepper you with feature requests while still paying you money for what you've got, which can give you feedback about which complexities you're missing that you really need to implement. If you choose which things to implement carefully, you end up making your product more useful to larger customers and you'll start closing some larger deals. (E.g. $500/mo.) Rinse and repeat and before too long you've got a product with all the bells and whistles and you're closing enterprise deals. (E.g. $2,500+/mo.) The numbers here are all relative, but the point is that the smaller customers end up subsidizing the development of what becomes an enterprise product.

(I think the advantage this approach has over the one you've suggested is that the product is always capable of making money even from the very beginning, just on a smaller scale at first. I think this is a critical feedback mechanism so that folks know whether what they're developing is actually useful to folks.)

Re: Ask HN: Where can I buy real software companies?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll write about this more in the near future -- don't want to step on a Starfighter announcement coming up though.

The talk wasn't recorded, was it?

Rob Walling and Mike Taber have a more authoritative answer on that than I do. There was a videographer there but I'm not sure what got shot. Don't quote me on this, but I think the talks were recorded. They typically release them midway through the year as part of marketing the next conference.

Re: Ask HN: Where can I buy real software companies?

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post #8

I sold Bingo Card Creator through FEI ( http://feinternational.com ) and have nothing but good things to say about them. Something like 20% of their listings are SaaS businesses. The going rate for a SaaS business is roughly 3X yearly SDC ("seller discretionary cashflow" -- revenue minus costs required to run the business as opposed to e.g. the owner's salary, distributions, interest expense, etc). It is closer to 2X…

Rob and Mike talked with the guy behind that:

http://www.startupsfortherestofus.com/episodes/episode-197-h...

Re: Ask HN: Where can I buy real software companies?

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post #6

A $500k business would mean you'll end paying on average between $3-5 million for it. May I ask your rationale behind chasing these deals? Why not split the $3-5 million into risk-based chunks and invest in startups instead? You only need 1 of them to hit 50x.

I think the OP was talking about businesses to buy for <$500k, not what they produce in annual earnings.
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