After reading Glenn Greenwald's book, I supported https://protonmail.ch/ , an encrypted email service based in the EU (Switzerland -edit: no it is not, should have said "Europe"-). It's currently in beta, I'm waiting for custom domain support and apps. The complete focus on "but Americans are protected" as an excuse for the NSA spying makes me actively seek out local services that are privacy aware. I use Telegram wi…
Switzerland is not in the EU.
Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
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Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#22I assume that for the last ten years all my online identities are pseudo-anonymous in the very best case and that all my communications meta data and content is logged and has been, is or is going to be scrutinized by TPTB. And that should anyone be interested, my full profile along with all my social network is or can be made available.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#23It's like saying I won't drive my car on the street because the police are watching you. But the police are looking for bad guys, not me. I'm not a bad guy.
I see so many people trying to block the police from doing their work finding bad guys. They don't want road checks for drunk drivers but then complain when a drunk driver kills someone. They don't want license plate scans for criminals and drug trafficking yet complain when they aren't caught.
They don't want the NSA scanning internet traffic and email yet complain they didn't catch the Boston bombers and others ahead of time while actively protesting the same thing.
I fear people like Snowden more than anything else.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#24I started using TextSecure with my closest friends, but not after the documentary, after the first Snowden revelations. I'm also very cautious about using non-HTTPS sites these days, or using sites with broken HTTPS. I sent my bank an email about their poor HTTPS configuration as well. I also intend to use EFF's CA for all my future sites, regardless of what type of site it is and whether it actually "needs" HTTPS or…
It's hard to totally avoid Microsoft/Google etc absolutely, but by not buying into them completely at least it's security through obscurity.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#25No, there's nothing I can do about it, and I'm highly unlikely to be a person of interest under the mass surveillance programme, so why bother?
That's not an attitude that leads to progress, to a better world. "It doesn't affect me, so why bother"?
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not an attitude that leads to progress, to a better world. "It doesn't affect me, so why bother"?
His point is the last half. He's not a "person of interest" in these surveillance activities so it doesn't concern him; and it shouldn't.
For instance, you should care that the police is very brutal to black people, even if you are not black and the police acts much better around white people.
Also, he's wrong. It does affect him. All data is analyzed. That includes his data, too. He's just of the attitude that "as long as me or any member of my family which I care about never says anything too critical about the government for the rest of our lives, then we're all good".
In my opinion he's wrong that he'll never be critical of his government. Obama won't rule forever, even if he does like him, and I assume he'll witness at least a few other governments during the rest of his life. Chances are he will become critical of his government, especially if things turn much worse (as the trend is right now). What if the government intends to cut his social benefits? What if the government introduces mandatory army enlisting? And so on and so on. Nobody can stay "non-critical" of the government for too long.
It's also wrong because it's self-censorship: "If I keep my head down, nothing bad will happen to me." The problem is when most people think like that, that's how you end up with tyranny. When little opposition exists, those in power start abusing it.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not an attitude that leads to progress, to a better world. "It doesn't affect me, so why bother"?
His point is the last half. He's not a "person of interest" in these surveillance activities so it doesn't concern him; and it shouldn't.
But, despite not being a person of interest, he's still being surveilled. That should concern him.
Re: Ask HN: Since CitizenFour, have you changed the way you conduct yourself online?
#29No. I have no need to. There are better things to do with my time. It's like saying I won't drive my car on the street because the police are watching you. But the police are looking for bad guys, not me. I'm not a bad guy. I see so many people trying to block the police from doing their work finding bad guys. They don't want road checks for drunk drivers but then complain when a drunk driver kills someone. They don'…
They don't want road checks for drunk drivers but then
complain when a drunk driver kills someone. They don't
want license plate scans for criminals and drug trafficking
yet complain when they aren't caught.
I think the problem here is not that people don't want police to do those things, it's the belief that the power, once granted, will be abused. Drunk driving checks to catch drunk drivers are a good thing, but what about when a cop forces you out of your car because he didn't like your attitude? License plate scans are also good for catching criminals, but what about if the police store the data forever and tie it to personal IDs of people? Would you want the police to have a record forever of everywhere you've gone?This is the problem with saying you have no need to. You assume you have already thought of every possible case when in fact, that's impossible to do. The most important part in the fight for personal privacy is in protecting the freedoms we have from potential abuse.