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Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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SCHEDULE. 1. Schedule most times spent with spouse. For everything . I really mean everything. Dinner date? Schedule it in advance. Going house-hunting? Schedule the visits. Movies? Schedule the evening way in advance. Visiting folks? Agree on a set date. 2. Stick to the schedules like a mofo. Integrity integrity integrity. Promises broken because schedules could not be kept are more likely the reason for an unhappy…

I strongly disagree with this advice. There is no faster way to suck the emotion out of a relationship than to put a schedule at the center of it, and hiding behind the excuse of the schedule is just deferring responsibility.

Scheduling time with spouse (and for kids) is the only honest and practical way of dealing with the question/challenge of "balancing" work life and family life. It's about setting boundaries. And respectful boundaries are always healthy for all in the relationship.

And by "balance" I don't mean equal - I mean having both.

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree with this advice. There is no faster way to suck the emotion out of a relationship than to put a schedule at the center of it, and hiding behind the excuse of the schedule is just deferring responsibility.

Scheduling time with spouse (and for kids) is the only honest and practical way of dealing with the question/challenge of "balancing" work life and family life. It's about setting boundaries. And respectful boundaries are always healthy for all in the relationship. And by "balance" I don't mean equal - I mean having both.

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Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Is every extra hour you're spending working really worth it? I'd figure out how to minimise the time required to accomplish tasks, defer them, delegate them and then also scrutinise the actual tasks themselves.

Once you're done with that do you still not have enough free time?

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Listening to them deeply and finding out their core frustrations is key, just like how you would interact with a user to discover their pain points. In my experience, when my partner claims I work too much it isn't always because I literally work too much.

Of course, sometimes my work/life balance needs to be readjusted and brought back to an acceptable equilibrium. However, the frustration often comes from not conveying my love for her in a way she recognizes and receives it.

The book The Five Love Languages[1], by Gary Chapman, opened my eyes to this. I'd recommend it to everyone. The premise of the book is that we all have unique preferences for what we find satisfying when it comes to love. Your love language is the way that you feel most loved. People usually love their partner how they want to be loved, and that doesn't tend to align with how their partner wants to be loved. You need to convey your love in a way that matches your partner's love language [2].

In my situation, I've thought deeply and talked with my partner about this concept and determined our Love Languages. I now fill the time I spend with her to the brim with activities and behaviors that convey my love for her effectively. I've found that no matter how much time I end up spending with my her, the actual amount of time becomes a non-issue when she feels loved in a way that really resonates with her.

It might help to think about it in terms of the 80-20 rule[3], doing the 20% of effort necessary (conveying your love in a way that actually gets received) to get 80% of the return (a satisfied and loved partner). That may sound a bit cold when applied to relationships- to try to minimize the effort required to convey your love, but it's actually the nicest thing you can do for them.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/The-Love-Languages-Secret-Lasts/dp/080...

[2] High level overview of the five love languages:

- Words of Affirmation - If this is your love language, you feel most cared for when your partner is open and expressive in telling you how wonderful they think you are, how much they appreciate you, that their world is a better place because you are in it, etc.

- Acts of Service - If your partner offering to watch the kids so you can go to the gym (or relieving you of some other task) gets your heart going, then this is your love language.

- Affection - This love language is just as it sounds. A warm hug, a kiss, touch, and sexual intimacy make you feel most loved when this is your love language.

- Quality Time - This love language is about being together, fully present and engaged in the activity at hand, no matter how trivial.

- Gifts - Your partner taking the time to give you a gift can make you feel appreciated.

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree with this advice. There is no faster way to suck the emotion out of a relationship than to put a schedule at the center of it, and hiding behind the excuse of the schedule is just deferring responsibility.

Scheduling time with spouse (and for kids) is the only honest and practical way of dealing with the question/challenge of "balancing" work life and family life. It's about setting boundaries. And respectful boundaries are always healthy for all in the relationship. And by "balance" I don't mean equal - I mean having both.

Your post made me angry. I just deleted the post I had written. Here's the replacement.

Not seeing your children unless you have scheduled time to do so is bizarre. Some people would suggest it's borderline mildly abusive.

Children must come before work. It's really fucking simple. This principle is enshrined in the internationally agreed (although I know the US never ratifies these things) human rights for the child. http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/crc.aspx

Not seeing your children without scheduling time for them has nothing to do with "healthy" (it soumds pathological) nor "respectful boundaries".

The default must be "all my time is spent with my family. Here's the time I set aside for work, but if anything happens to my children I can shift that work to a different time".

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Listening to them deeply and finding out their core frustrations is key, just like how you would interact with a user to discover their pain points. In my experience, when my partner claims I work too much it isn't always because I literally work too much. Of course, sometimes my work/life balance needs to be readjusted and brought back to an acceptable equilibrium. However, the frustration often comes from not conve…

What if your partner's love language is Quality Time, and OP knows it?

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scheduling time with spouse (and for kids) is the only honest and practical way of dealing with the question/challenge of "balancing" work life and family life. It's about setting boundaries. And respectful boundaries are always healthy for all in the relationship. And by "balance" I don't mean equal - I mean having both.

Your post made me angry. I just deleted the post I had written. Here's the replacement. Not seeing your children unless you have scheduled time to do so is bizarre. Some people would suggest it's borderline mildly abusive. Children must come before work. It's really fucking simple. This principle is enshrined in the internationally agreed (although I know the US never ratifies these things) human rights for the child…

I don't think parent post was saying that you should skip visiting your kids in the ER.

Spending all your time with kids a very... American leisure class perspective.

And I found nothing in that UN doc to support your claims either.

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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Imagine yourself having reached the 'success' you are currently pursuing. Imagine how much you will have to sacrifice in order to reach it. It certainly gives a thrill reaching the goals you set in you life. But there is one big question you have to ask yourself: what will you do after you have reached your success? Do you think you will be different? Do you think you will be happier? I can give you the answer: after reaching your goals, you will still be the same person as before, and you will still be as (un)happy as before. But you will have 1 extra question on your mind: why am I not happier now that I have reached my goals?

I hope you play games, because my answer is this: life is like a video game, it gives a thrill when winning it, but the real joy comes from playing it.

Enjoy your time at work, and enjoy the time you spend with your girlfriend. Your personal success is not measured by reaching some goal, but it's measured by how much fun you're having in your life (and yes, work should be fun, but spending time with your girlfriend should also be).

Sorry that I didn't gave a practical answer, but I hope it helps.

Re: Ask HN: Work/life balance – Significant other complains you work too much?

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First, I wouldn't get relationship advice from HN, or any pool of nerds. There's a reason our relationships suffer or are few and far between: nerd personalities will spend more time coding at work, trying to build a side project, watch TV or play games than being a healthy, balanced human being.

I work 40 hours a week. If I have work shit poking into my life beyond that on a regular basis, it's time to talk to my manager.

Don't lose your life to sitting on a computer coding. You can write software (or whatever you do) until you die, but you can't get back time lost, moments, relationships, friends and family.

As hokey as it may sound, and as often as I had people around me warning me about this, it took me awhile to figure it out. Sadly, it will take many nerds a long time to figure out and I'm convinced most never do.

When I die, I don't want my only memories to be coding on my laptop at home. There's so much more to try out and discover. Art, music, people, cooking, travel, whatever. IDK. Find some stuff and do more of it.

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