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Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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and i'm totally addicted to coding - even when i notice my lack of math skills. i spent the nights trying to understand cs concepts and couldn't sleep or stop before i found a solution (sometimes i did not sleep the whole day). That sort of thing sounds terrible to people who're recruiting. The fact is being good at making software is about 20% actual coding ability, and 80% being diligent and organised, communicatin…

What company are you hiring coders for, Wendys?

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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You talk about 'career in CS' but what you describe is 'being a programmer'.

'Career in CS' = MSc then PhD then postdoc in CS, making you ~ 40 when you will qualify for ~E2000/month jobs. So yeah, too late; also, not worth it (but that's a different topic).

'Being a programmer' = hitting the pavement hard to land your first job, transcend 'junior' status in 2-3 years. There are plenty of corporate programming jobs you can talk yourself into at your age.

Then there is 'I want to do only cool and hip things with computers and get paid well for it'. That doesn't have anything to do with age - or maybe a bit, but either way, it'll be a long hard road ahead.

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I wrote a programming book. Excellent source of instant credibility. Computer science is a bit of a waste of time in many respects, lots of self taught people around (I did 2 semesters of comp sci courses, and a bit of AI stuff when I was a psych undergrad).

Care to share a link?

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I went to tech school at age 41, after owning/managing in the restaurant business my entire adult life. I worked full time and studied full time and helped raise my little 2-year-old boy. I got my degree this spring.

Now I'm 44 and working my first job as a .NET developer, and I've never been happier. I have encountered no resistance to my age, quite the contrary: I've never felt more welcomed and encouraged than I do now in the coding community.

IT is changing rapidly, and you hear that all the time. But it's not just changing technically, it's also changing socially. That's very important to remember. If you are smart, and if you have the "knack", and if you work your butt off, and if you have a modicum of charm and social polish and confidence, you will have no trouble getting a job.

The world of coding is not monolithic. It is not homogeneous. To put it tritely, it is amazing how diverse a room full of coders can be....

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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My advice: if you already can program in python. Try getting programming job somewhere, if its difficult to get, try building some stuff and put them in github, so people can "See" that you are passionate. You dont need a degree, just coding skills.

From there, once you start working, you can choose to work 35h per week, and spend the rest of the time teaching yourself more skills.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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I'm 33. I learned web basics at 15 (HTML, JS, eventually CSS) and dabbled in that on a personal website till about 25. Meanwhile, I got an English degree, including a single calculus class. At 30, just after the birth of my daughter, exhausted by my stupid day job (not remotely CS related), I started teaching myself Java, then Android dev, then Python. I was on the verge of going over to the .NET dark side when I found a job that wanted Python and Java and SQL and oh, could I teach myself some Objective-C and write a small iOS app? It's with a small company, the benefits are meh and the pay is average for the area and I absolutely love it.

I feel pretty lucky to have stumbled into this. I think it's mostly repeatable with the right company -- small, probably not a traditional development house or major corporation (the company does a lot of industrial automation, PLCs and such, I do the PC side).

FWIW, you're exactly the kind of person we hire.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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post #22

You talk about 'career in CS' but what you describe is 'being a programmer'. 'Career in CS' = MSc then PhD then postdoc in CS, making you ~ 40 when you will qualify for ~E2000/month jobs. So yeah, too late; also, not worth it (but that's a different topic). 'Being a programmer' = hitting the pavement hard to land your first job, transcend 'junior' status in 2-3 years. There are plenty of corporate programming jobs yo…

I agree with most of what you say, but: 2000 euro/month -- as a finished Phd in CS?! That's ludicrously low?

Still, there's a difference between working as a developer/architect/engineer -- and doing CS research. I'm guessing op meant a career in "software engineering", not "computer science".

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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post #9

Try and become a DBA. They are kind of expected to be old (as in 40+) and can rake in the $$$. Although the kind of "coding" you will do will be limited to scripting, SQL, and maybe some ORASQL/APEX.

Not sure this is the best advice. Most DBA's are not developers, and the line of work isn't the same. OP probably wouldn't make it to his goal, he'd just end up with money.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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For what it's worth, here's how my path looked: * Graduated at 25 * Worked editing photos of sports apparel for 3.5 years. Spent most evenings coding what I could and making things that were useful at least in theory (ridesharing web app, etc.) * Got a terrible job at a content farm in LA (not the one you're thinking of) working in ad trafficking. Took a pay cut to do it. Made a lot of tools with the the Google DART…

Out of curiosity, what kind of money did you start at in your job in Dublin? I've been toying with the idea of moving to the UK/Ireland, and from what I've been able to gather pay seems to be really low there? For reference, I'd consider anything below 2500 euro/month after tax to be "really low" for knowledge work where you're doing something useful.

Re: Ask HN: Chances for Restarting a Career in CS @ 30+ ?

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post #9

Try and become a DBA. They are kind of expected to be old (as in 40+) and can rake in the $$$. Although the kind of "coding" you will do will be limited to scripting, SQL, and maybe some ORASQL/APEX.

Disregard this advice, do whatever you enjoy the most, there are plenty of good jobs for anyone who is passionate and has good people skills. I know my work is very strict on anti-age discrimination.
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