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Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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I use GPG quite often but there are many annoying issues: - Lacking GPG support on iOS devices, the available apps are not integrated with Mail.app (iOS). - GPG support on OS X devices is usable with Mail.app and GPG Tools (( https://gpgtools.org/ ) but encrypted mails are not searchable. I use folders etc. but it is still often a pain do browse manually through mail after mail until you find the one you've been look…

Mailvelope [1] has ok support in gmail for pgp. http://www.mailvelope.com/

Thanks!

I'm not sure if mail encryption in the browser is a good idea, especially with regard to the protection of private keys …

And I'm wondering why Mailvelope doesn't support mail signing?

> Mailvelope currently does not support signing of messages.

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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Because its too easy to not use it. HTTPS has widespread adoption because end-users don't need to supply any cognitive resources to make the leap - until PGP occurs with the same simplicity it'll never see adoption amongst the commoners.

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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Huh, I don't see what I would have considered the obvious answer among what's already been said.

So, to me, the obvious answer is that if you want to use PGP, you first have to make everyone you intend to communicate with also use PGP. That's an obvious no-go. I would be happy to set it up, but what good would that do me?

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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I think it's because there still isn't a good metaphor that covers up the complexity of public key encryption. Such a metaphor is a prerequisite for a UI that the average user can comprehend. First, I think we should rename the keys to 'locking key' and 'unlocking key'. I've had people still scratch their heads at 'public/private' a few days after I've completely explained the concept to them. They find it easier to…

> 4. Provide a 'compose secure email' option

There should be only one "compose" button.

If you have exchanged public keys with the recipient, all content sent to her address should be transparently encrypted, period.

People don't care about special "secure" buttons that clutter their screens.

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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In my experience it is mostly due to annoyance. PGP is seamless until someone tries to check their mail on their friend's computer and discovers that encryption works as intended . Then all of a sudden they start begging you not to send them encrypted messages. I have yet to see any other reason for why PGP is not even used by people for whom it would be easy. Even within the security and cryptography research commun…

I know some folks in the Air Force - all of their ID cards have public/private keys stored on them. They use them (plus a pin) for logging onto their computers at work, all of their e-mails are digitally signed, and the computer is locked just by removing the card from the card reader. Most personnel don't know a thing about public key encryption/two factor authentication, and likely wouldn't care if you offered to explain it to them.

I can imagine this could easily get rolled out if you integrated the public/private keys into driver's licenses. A quick search online suggests that blank cards are about $.06 each in bulk [1], but smart card vary between $.60 and $1.50 [2] (don't take this as definitive - I have no experience purchasing them). I don't think anyone would care paying an extra, say $2 or so whenever they get a new license for the cost of the card plus recouping the cost of hardware to print them.

Phase it in over time - have hand-outs at the DMV answering "What's this funny chip on my driver's license?" Gradually phase it in over time for online tax payments/water bills/etc. - something like "your username and password will be good until {date reasonably far in the future}, but after that you'll need a card reader. You can purchase one for $15 from any of these retailers: ..."

Once both the cards and readers are in place, it's a lot easier to get the critical mass to push for stronger authentication from banks, online retailers, etc. People worried about privacy implication could purchase their own cards from independent retailers and put their own keys on them.

[1] http://www.smartcardsupply.com/Content/Cards/cards.htm

[2] http://www.smartcardsupply.com/Content/Cards/ISO7816.htm

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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Most people don't care enough to put up with the mild to moderate inconvenience and learning curve. It really isn't a big deal if the NSA reads my email most of the time. None of it is interesting enough to them to actually show it to a human. Of course, that attitude being widespread means it's easy for the NSA to spy on people in situations where it might have a big impact on politics.

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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I think it's because there still isn't a good metaphor that covers up the complexity of public key encryption. Such a metaphor is a prerequisite for a UI that the average user can comprehend. First, I think we should rename the keys to 'locking key' and 'unlocking key'. I've had people still scratch their heads at 'public/private' a few days after I've completely explained the concept to them. They find it easier to…

> First, I think we should rename the keys to 'locking key' and 'unlocking key'.

Why not go a step further and call one ‘key’ and the other ‘lock’? So you can share (copies of) your lock freely with others, and if they want to send encrypted email to you, they take your ‘lock’ and put it on that email. It then becomes obvious that you shouldn’t share the private key (after all, anybody could then unlock the locks) and that you have to make absolutely sure that you get the correct public key from others (as putting a ‘false’ lock on a letter doesn’t help).

Sure, this falls somewhat apart if you also want to consider signing…

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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Mailvelope [1] has ok support in gmail for pgp. http://www.mailvelope.com/

Thanks! I'm not sure if mail encryption in the browser is a good idea, especially with regard to the protection of private keys … And I'm wondering why Mailvelope doesn't support mail signing? > Mailvelope currently does not support signing of messages.

Probably because you have to make absolutely sure that the things you sign are actually the things sent by the webmail provider, and if they decide to add random stuff, the signature will fail. Encryption is, in some sense, easier.

Re: Ask HN: Why is PGP not used widely?

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The answer is Usability. It's a pain in the butt for someone like my Mom, Dad or most of my Friends to setup. Most digital security measures have a pretty high usability tax. I used to build out PKI systems and that was a nightmare to build correctly. It was costly to setup, develop and maintain, but it was secure.
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