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Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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> Why do you people hate suits so much? What's wrong with wearing fine clothes and looking sharp? I don't think they make you look sharp. They're a uniform, stick a suit on and you're just another person dressed in grey or black. It doesn't exactly do anything interesting with the eye. Now, granted, there are various cuts of suit, and different pockets, ways of making them roll the shoulders to make you look broader…

A suit doesn't make you look subservient - a t-shirt saying Hollister or Linux or some other corporate entity does.

It does make you look like you wasted hundreds of dollars on one outfit.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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Dressing down, ubiquitously known as “being comfortable”, says that you don’t care about how you look, as if your appearance were an entirely private matter that has nothing to do with anyone else. It’s the exact opposite: what you wear is part of the visible environment, as relevant as the architecture, the decor, [and everything else in that environment]. - L. Grant

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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If suits weren't inherently less comfortable, we'd see them worn in the grocery store and up the hiking trail. They're not durable, they're hard to clean and mend, and they're expensive and hard to replace (since "the wrong suit" is all I can find up the street). If they didn't manipulate people into overlooking merit when making decisions, they would have long since been forgotten.

basically today's suits are like 18'th century powdered wigs.

You've never worn a made to measure suit :)

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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Why do you people hate suits so much? What's wrong with wearing fine clothes and looking sharp? People say they're uncomfortable, but if your suit is uncomfortable you've just chosen the wrong suit. Same with your shirts. And if your tie is uncomfortable, learn to tie a knot better. People who say we should do away with the suit are arguing to do away with centuries of evolution in professional men's attire. It's lik…

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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Why do you people hate suits so much? What's wrong with wearing fine clothes and looking sharp? People say they're uncomfortable, but if your suit is uncomfortable you've just chosen the wrong suit. Same with your shirts. And if your tie is uncomfortable, learn to tie a knot better. People who say we should do away with the suit are arguing to do away with centuries of evolution in professional men's attire. It's lik…

There is a difference between wanting to wear a suit and forcing everyone to wear one.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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This doesn't directly answer your question, but I will say that if you are in an organization where "formal attire" is (re)introduced as a means to "improve the professionalism of the organization", it is time to start looking for another job. 1) It doesn't solve anything. (Despite some anecdotal or loose correlation between being "dressed up" and feeling "more professional".) 2) The type of people who promulgate suc…

Companies make demands on all employees which have nothing to do with their business all the time but they care about it a lot.

One obvious one is a suit and tie policy. I'm curious what happens to people who "disobey" norms like this.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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This doesn't directly answer your question, but I will say that if you are in an organization where "formal attire" is (re)introduced as a means to "improve the professionalism of the organization", it is time to start looking for another job. 1) It doesn't solve anything. (Despite some anecdotal or loose correlation between being "dressed up" and feeling "more professional".) 2) The type of people who promulgate suc…

Companies make demands on all employees which have nothing to do with their business all the time but they care about it a lot. One obvious one is a suit and tie policy. I'm curious what happens to people who "disobey" norms like this.

Well, the time I recall most clearly when I ran into such a policy... Brief story. Old-line company's doing poorly, stock tanking. Board finally brings in some new senior management -- the "not nice", clean things up and (unexpressed, but fairly apparent) sell it off kind.

We were formal, but had gone business casual a few years earlier.

One of the first mandates of the new management: Business attire. Fortunately, in my role, I could skip the full suit, but dress shirt and tie, and "Dockers" and similar more casual slacks were expressly verboten.

If you didn't like it, good-bye. Since they were looking at wholesale reductions in head count, they couldn't care less.

My office was very "back end". I doubt I saw more than one or two external customers a year. Wages were simultaneously frozen, so you knew where the additional wardrobe expense was coming from.

Sure, this is pure anecdote. Just my experience. I've been at and watched other companies struggle with the "clothing" question. It inevitably seems that, in doing so, they are worrying about the wrong question. (And inevitably, the ramp up of formal dress seems to come along with hard times... That have nothing, in my opinion, to do with what people are wearing.)

Then again... maybe for the majority in mainstream corporate America, being made to put on a suit is a signal to "stop fucking around". Because, that was part of the problem.

P.S. Since I walk around a lot, despite my relatively short remaining tenure, I still managed to wear out a few pairs of rather nice dress slacks and put some significant mileage on dress shoes, before I got out of there.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies make demands on all employees which have nothing to do with their business all the time but they care about it a lot. One obvious one is a suit and tie policy. I'm curious what happens to people who "disobey" norms like this.

Well, the time I recall most clearly when I ran into such a policy... Brief story. Old-line company's doing poorly, stock tanking. Board finally brings in some new senior management -- the "not nice", clean things up and (unexpressed, but fairly apparent) sell it off kind. We were formal, but had gone business casual a few years earlier. One of the first mandates of the new management: Business attire. Fortunately, i…

Just out of curiosity, did it work? Where they sold?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the time I recall most clearly when I ran into such a policy... Brief story. Old-line company's doing poorly, stock tanking. Board finally brings in some new senior management -- the "not nice", clean things up and (unexpressed, but fairly apparent) sell it off kind. We were formal, but had gone business casual a few years earlier. One of the first mandates of the new management: Business attire. Fortunately, i…

Just out of curiosity, did it work? Where they sold?

It was sold to a large(r) interest already in the broader field of industry. This was long enough after I'd left that my friends were out, as well, or out of touch, and I had no other lingering ties, so I don't really know how that went. (I can speculate; some essential production staff retained. Most others retired or terminated. A continuation of what had occurred, taking advantage of the resulting redundancies to further trim cost.)

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for not wearing a suit and tie?

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post #3

Why do you people hate suits so much? What's wrong with wearing fine clothes and looking sharp? People say they're uncomfortable, but if your suit is uncomfortable you've just chosen the wrong suit. Same with your shirts. And if your tie is uncomfortable, learn to tie a knot better. People who say we should do away with the suit are arguing to do away with centuries of evolution in professional men's attire. It's lik…

If suits weren't inherently less comfortable, we'd see them worn in the grocery store and up the hiking trail. They're not durable, they're hard to clean and mend, and they're expensive and hard to replace (since "the wrong suit" is all I can find up the street). If they didn't manipulate people into overlooking merit when making decisions, they would have long since been forgotten.

I find my suits to be comfortable, and wear something comparable (odd jacket and slacks) most days. I don't wear a suit because I already stand out enough in my office wearing what I do.
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