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Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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Singapore, Norway or Denmark.

All three are interesting suggestions, but what makes them stand out to you?

Singapore has some of the world's strongest laws protecting investors, lenders and borrowers. Setting up a company there only takes 4 days. It has very low and easy to file taxes and pretty much everything they do they do it with a "high-tech" view point.

Norway is just generally all around awesome. The only draw back is their high taxes but they're ridiculously easy to file as well. They also protect their investors, lenders and borrowers very well.

Denmark's economy makes it so starting up a business costs pretty much nothing and registering it is almost as fast as Singapore. They also hire and fire laws similar to those in the US so that you can pretty much hire and fire people very easily with no hassle.

Also, I just love the Nordic culture and way of life which is a big factor for me in picking Norway and Denmark.

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering this now, Singapore or Hong Kong

Well, Hong Kong's future belongs to China. http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Can you elaborate on what you think the implications of China's involvement are? I mean, "one country, two systems" seems to be allowing HK to be very free.

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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India,Africa,china,japan

These are unusual suggestions! What makes you suggest them, and specifically what part of Africa?

In Africa, I would consider

Kenya: good internet speeds,

Ghana: booming local economy,

Nigeria: lots of entrepreneurial spirit,

Angola: 4G network

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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Hacker News, Quora, etc are supportive of entrepreneurship - that is your support and mentorship network. Incorporate in a low-tax low-regulation business-friendly jurisdiction like Singapore, bank in stable country like Switzerland and live/work wherever you like. Consider the 5 flags-theory for web-based business: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_traveler

> Hacker News, Quora, etc are supportive of entrepreneurship - that is your support and mentorship network.

That is nice and all, and yes, you are right, those are great resources for entrepreneurs along with a handful of other sites.

Speaking as an entrepreneur that has sat on both sides of the fence - I partially live in Buenos Aires, and spend a lot of time in Boston: have done the /self served/ mentoring you hint at and had actual mentors and I'm going through my second incubator experience right now - I ought to say, the differences between a support or mentorship network is a completely different experience than when you have actual mentors, with names, faces and specific personalities.

Hacker News, Quora, StackExchange are top notch resources when you have very specific questions that need answers. Its a completely different ball game when questions you face are ambiguous, and needless to say that the effect of being able to easily tap into willing and reliable networks of contacts through your mentors is a resource that is hard to replicate in these sites. A "Show HN" thread is great (provided it reaches the front page), but being able to get in front of insightful, connected people that have a particular understanding of the exact problem you are solving, is a much more meaningful resource, I'll listen to the insights from five such individuals much more carefully than to the comments of 200 anonymous comments (not that the 200 anonymous comments are not of use, of course, but one is heavily more valuable than the other imo).

YMMV, but, all things being equal, having a handful of people you can reach out to (and just as important, that will reach out to you periodically) makes your own work much more effective.

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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Probably a developed country. Like UK. London sounds good, it not silicon valley but its not bad either. There is already some startup culture there. The operating cost would be a problem though. If i was short on money (ok every startup is, except maybe like color) I would do it where i am right now, in a small town in north of India. The city is not village, but it's not a metropolitan either. The operating cost will be a lot lower than say, London and I already know everyone here. The community, society and laws are all local and familiar. So I think only place compelling enough to leave the comfort of home turf is valley.

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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post #8

Hacker News, Quora, etc are supportive of entrepreneurship - that is your support and mentorship network. Incorporate in a low-tax low-regulation business-friendly jurisdiction like Singapore, bank in stable country like Switzerland and live/work wherever you like. Consider the 5 flags-theory for web-based business: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_traveler

Nice in theory, hard in practice. Especially if you're doing a startup and not a lifestyle or small business.

Edit: Ridiculous how people downvote. I've researched this area more than most and the flags theory just doesn't fit most startups as the core concept is having your tax residence and company in different countries. The only case I know of where it did or could have worked is Skype.

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are unusual suggestions! What makes you suggest them, and specifically what part of Africa?

In Africa, I would consider Kenya: good internet speeds, Ghana: booming local economy, Nigeria: lots of entrepreneurial spirit, Angola: 4G network

What about South Africa?

Well-developed legal system

4G network and high speed internet

Existing support structures, especially for funding

And one of the most beautiful cities with plenty of sun & sand in Cape Town.

Re: Ask HN: If you could start a start-up anywhere in the world

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Five years ago I quit working for other people and started working for myself. At the same time, we decided to start traveling, to get a better idea of other cultures for our products (which are internationalized) and to see if we found a place we liked to stay.

First off, one thing you notice, once you get out of the USA, is how much of a bubble the USA is in. The perspective given by US news sources, for instance, is pretty narrow. Americans tend to think about the same things all the time and have those perceptions reinforced. Just getting out there will broaden your perspective, of the world, of the markets and of your customers.

There are other cultures that support entrepreneurship, and really, the idea that the US is sort of a pinnacle of this is at the least outdated.

The thing to remember, though, is that these other cultures are different and support it in different ways. Some better, some worse than the USA.

During our travels, we've "based our startup" in Venice Italy, Berlin Germany, Amsterdam, The UK, Mexico, and most recently Chile.

All of these are quite viable as a place to stay while working on your startup, though not all of them are good jurisdictions for your business to be domiciled. We travel on tourist visas, though in recent year's we've focused on getting year long visas.

Like others said about the PT / Five Flags strategy, jurisdictional arbitrage is a good idea. One thing to be aware of is that the IRS is getting more and more draconian every year and US government laws are making it harder and harder for financial institutions to do business with americans. It's not that the countries won't welcome you, it's that the US punishes them for it. (At least as it comes to bank accounts.) This makes a foreign bank account a bit of a prized possession for Americans.

Some notable places to consider: Amsterdam- There is a US-Dutch friendship treaty which means that Americans who found a company in the netherlands get residency so long as they keep a certain amount of assets in the company.

Panama- Recently the president of panama signed an executive order giving anyone from "favored" nations (eg: ones panama has good relations with, including the US and UK) the ability to get residency simply by setting up a company in Panama and putting some money in the bank. This isn't just a residency visa, this is permanent panamanian residency.

Chile- I'm sure you've heard of Startup Chile. Chile is a pro-business culture (though also a bit pro-paperwork and things take a bit more time than they should). The Chilean government will give you residency for living and working in Chile, you just have to earn money in the country and pay taxes on it (So you could go there as a freelancer and live.) After 2 years of doing this you can apply for permanent residency that allows you to live there indefinitely.

Singapore- Has two programs, the Entrepreneur Pass and the Entre Pass for employees of companies (it could be your own company) and people setting up singaporean companies, giving you residency.

All these situations give you a reasonably straightforward path to residency. All of them have more or less pro-business environments, though Amsterdam's taxes are kind of extreme.

As for embracing failure, etc, this is really kind of incumbent on yourself. IF you embrace your failure, great.

If you're looking to raise investor money, the bay area is the probably unparalleled for this. I'm speaking more towards someone who wants to bootstrap.

If you're a bootstrapper, you could do it almost anywhere.

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