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Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by dkdcio »

on_the_train wrote: post #19
mod50ack wrote: post #3

Any license that discriminates based on use case would not qualify as open source under the Open Source Initiative definition, nor as free software under the FSF definition. You also shouldn't expect for your project/code to be reused by or incorporated into any free or open-source projects, since your license would be incompatible. You can release software under whatever license you want, though whether any restrict…

A random "initiative" does not have the power to redefine words. If the source is available, it's open source.

that would be “source available” software, and it’s not a random initiative

there is disagreement on exactly what “open source” means, but generally clear boundaries between open source and source available software in licensing and spirit of the given project. e.g. MIT and Apache 2.0 are open source, BSL is source available.

edit: PERSONALLY, I think if you don’t welcome outside contributions, it isn’t open source; see others’ responses for disagreement on this (it’s not a part of the standard definition)

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by hkt »

mod50ack wrote: post #3

Any license that discriminates based on use case would not qualify as open source under the Open Source Initiative definition, nor as free software under the FSF definition. You also shouldn't expect for your project/code to be reused by or incorporated into any free or open-source projects, since your license would be incompatible. You can release software under whatever license you want, though whether any restrict…

Leaving aside the sentence case in the title, the author's post didn't capitalise open source: they clearly mean source which is open to be read freely, and from the context this can clearly be read.

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by talkingtab »

I think it is time that open source => community source. Where community is NOT corporations making tons of money without royalties. And where community is NOT AI.

As someone said these are fair uses of Open source. But it would not be fair use of Community Open Source.

Many people will reject such an effort for good reason. Open Source is something of great value. But should only Corporations profit from it. Why not the developers, maintainers, etc?

So the question is whether there is some way to retain the benefits and goodness of Open Source while expelling the "Embrace, extend, extinguish" corporations?

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

NoraCodes wrote: post #12

You - and many other commentors in this thread - misunderstand the legal theory under which AI companies operate. In their view, training their models is allowed under fair use, which means it does not trigger copyright-based licenses at all. You cannot dissuade them with a license.

Of course, if the code wasn't available in the first place, the AI wouldn't be able to read it.

It wouldn't qualify as "open source", but I wonder if OP could have some sort of EULA (or maybe it would be considered an NDA). Something to the effect of "by reading this source code, you agree not to use it as training data for any AI system or model."

And then something to make it viral. "You further agree not to allow others to read or redistribute this source code unless they agree to the same terms."

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by kstrauser »

hkt wrote: post #24
mod50ack wrote: post #3

Any license that discriminates based on use case would not qualify as open source under the Open Source Initiative definition, nor as free software under the FSF definition. You also shouldn't expect for your project/code to be reused by or incorporated into any free or open-source projects, since your license would be incompatible. You can release software under whatever license you want, though whether any restrict…

Leaving aside the sentence case in the title, the author's post didn't capitalise open source: they clearly mean source which is open to be read freely, and from the context this can clearly be read.

I disagree. They said open source, so I’ll take them at their word that they mean open source. If they meant otherwise, they should’ve said that instead.

This is a highly nitpicky topic where terms have important meanings. If we toss that out, it becomes impossible to discuss it.

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by hkt »

I think some variation of the Hippocratic License will probably work for you. See:

https://firstdonoharm.dev/

There isn't an explicitly anti-AI element for this yet but I'd wager they're working on it. If not, see their contribute page where they explicitly say this:

> Our incubator program also supports the development of other ethical source licenses that prioritize specific areas of justice and equity in open source.

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by orphea »

hkt wrote: post #24
mod50ack wrote: post #3

Any license that discriminates based on use case would not qualify as open source under the Open Source Initiative definition, nor as free software under the FSF definition. You also shouldn't expect for your project/code to be reused by or incorporated into any free or open-source projects, since your license would be incompatible. You can release software under whatever license you want, though whether any restrict…

Leaving aside the sentence case in the title, the author's post didn't capitalise open source: they clearly mean source which is open to be read freely, and from the context this can clearly be read.

  > the author's post didn't capitalise open source: they clearly mean
You can't make this conclusion. A lot of people simply don't bother with capitalizing words in a certain way to convey certain meaning.

Re: Ask HN: Anti-AI Open Source License?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

NoraCodes wrote: post #12

You - and many other commentors in this thread - misunderstand the legal theory under which AI companies operate. In their view, training their models is allowed under fair use, which means it does not trigger copyright-based licenses at all. You cannot dissuade them with a license.

People think that code is loaded into a model, like a massive available array of "copy+paste" snippets.

It's understandable that people think this, but it is incorrect.

As an aside, Anthropic's training was ruled fair use, except the books they pirated.

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