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Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

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Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

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the ladder is being withdrawn for everyone, everywhere. Some will be cut off by AI, some by thugs in ski masks. The modern aristocracy believe they have built an economic perpetual motion machine that can function without the ‘surplus population,’ who will be encouraged to politely starve to death.

I agree this is what's happening, for everyone to see.

I didn't understand their end game. When everyone is starving, public infra is all on fire, and the 0.1% are snug in their island bunkers, then what? What if their child gets cancer, or they run out of caviar, or their yacht needs a replacement part?

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#22

The market is bad but there is still demand for top performers. It's hard to give advice without further details. Market rules apply. But MIT and olympiad background is strong enough to get interviews.

From the recruiting side, it has become painfully difficult for us to get connected to top performers. AI submitted CVs are garbage, LinkedIn Recruiter is garbage, online platforms like Indeed and Glassdoor are filled with AI-submitted CVs - it's painful for us.

We've had to resort back to outbound using headhunters we've worked with. It's okay for us since we can afford it, but I doubt many startups pre-Series B can afford the services of headhunters or even inhouse recruiting.

Open to solutions and new ideas tbh.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#23

What you should have been doing, instead of telling her the comforting lie that the world operates on merit and this is all that matters while nudging her towards tying all her feelings of self-worth to this, is helping her build resilience so that she doesn't end up wallowing in despair after a minor career setback. That you've cancelled Christmas to collectively endure some sort of misery spiral instead obviously i…

Easy on the fellow. OP doesn't feel great at the moment because of feeding the "lies" about merit to his daughter, the same "lies" they fed all of us back in our day that doing everything by the book pays (Lies in quotes because there's obviously a ton of substance in those statements still). You don't need to push him down further. While the lack of any celebration is not the best idea (assuming OP is still reasonably well-off), a stern rebuke won't help either.

As I mentioned elsewhere, companies are hiring. We're in Europe with a US office and we're hiring, in spite of being in a country that's practically in recession mode. But the main issue is connecting the talent to the company. That's what's messing up hiring these days. Inbound is finished and outbound isn't scalable.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#24
You wrote: “I told her for years that merit would protect her. It didn’t.”

You believed that because you wanted her to be safe. That’s love. And you were working with the information you had. The guilt you’re feeling is its own kind of grief — the loss of being able to protect her through guidance.

You can acknowledge this to her without making it about you. Something like: “I gave you a map that turned out to be incomplete. That wasn’t fair to you. I’m sorry.”

That kind of honesty, rather than weakening your relationship, might actually strengthen it. It models that being wrong isn’t the end of the world — and that love doesn’t require being right.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#25

"My daughter followed the playbook everyone here recommends. MIT. Programming olympiads. Strong internships. No shortcuts." I never had any of this and I managed to find work in tech in 2000, 2008, and even now (during the worst down markets in my lifetime), when everyone says that 'nobody is hiring', I had 5 interviews (I only applied to 10 or so jobs) and an offer in less than a month. Education has never guarantee…

This isn’t about you, someone with years of experience. I also found a job within a month a year ago. Why? My experience.

My brother in law is experiencing the same thing as his daughter. He graduated with a 4.0 in computer science but couldn’t find a job to save his life. Why? It’s hard to customize your resume when you have no relevant experience. What’s he doing now? Getting his master’s. Piling on more debt. Hoping. Working on random projects, just like everyone else. Getting the occasional interview where they ask questions he has no idea how to answer because he’s never been in the situation to learn or develop a way to formulate an answer. Unprepared, despite preparing every single day. Why? Because teams have lost people due to layoffs, offshoring, etc., and now expect more from potential junior positions.

Reaching out to recruiters, hiring managers, people who work in the company/department isn’t some new thing. It’s just not working like it used to.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#26
You can’t fix this for her, and trying to will likely push her further away. What you can do is be a steady presence that communicates: I see you. This is real. You are not diminished by this. And I’m not going anywhere.

Don’t try to reframe it positively yet. Don’t suggest she “pivot to AI” or “try startups.” She knows the tactical advice. What she doesn’t have right now is a felt sense that she still belongs — to her family, to the future, to herself.

The absence of decorations, the quiet — I understand the impulse. But consider: the ritual of showing up for each other despite the pain is itself medicine. Not pretending things are okay. Just being together in the not-okay. It’s different from performing normalcy.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#27
What your daughter is experiencing isn’t just disappointment. It’s the collapse of a worldview. She built her identity around a core belief: effort creates safety. That belief was scaffolding she stood on, and it just broke.

This is grief. Specifically, it’s the grief of losing trust in a covenant she thought existed between her and the world. The isolation, the crying alone, the withdrawal — these aren’t character flaws. They’re the nervous system’s response to having foundational assumptions shattered. Shame makes us hide. And when we believe we did something wrong (even when we didn’t), we hide from the people who love us most.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#28
I can't speak to the current system because I have stepped out of it temporarily, but if you haven't done so; please tell your daughter that she is not her job nor is she the labels she places upon herself. It's tragic that she's placed so much weight on her job if she still has you supporting her.

None of the things you listed are signs of merit, they are signs of pedigree. If people recommended them here, they did so in error.

There's certainly a difference between universities, but the most important differentiators are connections (has she exhausted these) and prestige. If those aren't working for her, the only thing left is personal projects. That is the true indicator of merit in the software space.

As for specific advice, your daughter is in a similar situation to me. I graduated thinking I had did all of the right things, and that my degree (mechanical engineering) was some sort of magic ticket. I was unemployed and then underemployed for a year or two. I eventually went to a job fair and got a job as a data analyst then, finally, moved into data engineering.

Reality has shown her that there isn't always a direct path to a goal. Are there other skills she has that she could use to get meaningful or interesting work?

Tell her to explore alternate jobs outside of her field or preferred industry, build up a portfolio of projects on the side to keep her skills sharp, and keep applying to her preferred role, but now at a much slower and deliberate pace.

Re: Ask HN: MIT grad, junior dev layoffs – watching my daughter lose faith in merit

#29

What you should have been doing, instead of telling her the comforting lie that the world operates on merit and this is all that matters while nudging her towards tying all her feelings of self-worth to this, is helping her build resilience so that she doesn't end up wallowing in despair after a minor career setback. That you've cancelled Christmas to collectively endure some sort of misery spiral instead obviously i…

fakedang's comment does a lot of heavy lifting, but I'm going to swing for the fences: you mention your company is hiring juniors, and OP's daughter sounds competent and has potential. Can they offer her an interview? Worst case, some time has been spent. Best case, someone who needs a job gets a job and a req gets filled.
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