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Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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If programming is woodworking, using AI is ikea assembly except they packed most the wrong parts in the box so I have to deal with customer service to go back and forth to get the right parts and the hardware parts don’t always function as intended leaving me to find my own.

It’s a different, less enjoyable, type of work in my opinion.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#24
Nope. I have the same dividing line as I had when I was leading development teams:

If this seems interesting to me, and I have time, I will do it.

If it is uninteresting to me, or turns out to be uninteresting, or the schedule does not fit with mine, someone else can do it.

Exactly the same deal with how I use AI in general, not just in coding.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#25
No, it didn't. Or rather it did for run of the mill coder camp wanna be programmer. Like you sound you are one. For me it's the opposite. That's because I don't do run of the mill web pages, my work instead is very specific and the so called "AI" (which is actually just googling with extra spice on top, I don't think I'll see true AI in my lifetime) is too stupid to do it. So I have to break it down into several sessions giving only partial details (divide and conquer) otherwise will confabulate stupid code.

Before this "AI" I had to do the mundane tasks of boilerplate. Now I don't. That's a win for me. The grand thinking and the whole picture of the projects is still mine, and I keep trying to give it to "AI" from time to time, except each time it spits BS. Also it helps that as a freelancer my stuff gets used by my client directly in production (no manager above, that has a group leader, that has a CEO, that has client's IT department, that finally has the client as final user). That's another good feeling. Corporations with layers above layers are the soul sucking of programming joy. Freelancing allowed me to avoid that.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

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> That's the labor-saving promise. Where are the labor saving _measurements_? You said it yourself: > You'd think about the problem. Draw some diagrams. Understand what you're actually trying to do. So why are we relying on "promises?" > If I use AI to help, the work doesn't feel like mine. And when you're experiencing an emergency and need to fix or patch it this comes back to haunt you. > So all credit flows to the…

> You will almost certainly find large parts of it, verbatim, inside of a github repository or on an authors webpage. AI takes the credit so you don't get blamed for copyright theft.

Only if you're doing something trivial or highly common, in which case it's boilerplate that shouldn't be copyrighted. We already had this argument when Oracle sued Google over Java. We already had the "just stochastic parrots" conversation too, and concluded it's a specious argument.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#27

If programming is woodworking, using AI is ikea assembly except they packed most the wrong parts in the box so I have to deal with customer service to go back and forth to get the right parts and the hardware parts don’t always function as intended leaving me to find my own. It’s a different, less enjoyable, type of work in my opinion.

> It’s a different, less enjoyable, type of work

This is an elegant way of putting it. I like it

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#28
Honestly I'm not sure I ever really got satisfaction from the coding process itself. The output is what I care about. If it's a new and interesting output then it's still your idea. The code not being written by you doesn't detract from that.

Aside from regular arguments and slinging insults at chatgpt, I've been enjoying being able to be way more productive on my personal projects.

I've been using agentic AI to explore ESP32 in Arduino IDE. I'm learning a ton and I'm confident I could write some simpler firmware at this point and I regularly make modifications to the code myself.

But damn if it isn't amazing to have zero clue how to rewrite low level libraries for a little known sensor and within an hour have a working rewrite of the library that works perfectly with the sensor!

I'll say though, this is all hobby stuff. If my day job was professional chatgpt wrangler I think I'd be pretty over it pretty quickly. Though I'm burnt out to hell. So maybe it's best.

Re: Ask HN: Has AI stolen the satisfaction from programming?

#29
It took the satisfaction out of it in the sense that I can no longer be laid to do it.

For side projects no, but I use it at the level that feels like it enhances my workflow and manually write the other bits since I don’t have productivity software tracking if I’m adopting AI hard enough

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