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Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

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Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

#21
I’ve been doing this for 20 years. I see it as you having two primary options.

You should stay there, learn the new tech, and see what happens.

If it works better than you expected, then your mind will be changed and you’ll be well positioned for the new economy.

If it turns out how you expect, now you have experience working with this tooling to inform your positions at your next company.

Either way, a few months in that environment will help your career.

Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

#22
Nah.

There's always pointless fads and food fights. Just tough it out. (Until a better gig comes along.)

I wish I could advise my young self "this too shall pass". The savvy play is to be a "team player". All those dumb hills I choose to die on... For dumb crap which eventually self-mooted all by themselves.

There was a comment (or a story?) some time back about how to survive as a software developer when projects are managed by Pointy Haired Bosses (PHBs). From memory:

Always be positive, optimistic.

Never say no or hedge or doubt.

Proactively manage upwards with enthusiastic status reports.

Instead of owning up to failures (due to fantasy estimates, ridiculous deadlines, scope creep, misc chaos, etc), list in detail all the great things and awesome progress you and your fantastic team have miraculously accomplished.

Like "reproducible builds which reduced failures by 1000% FTW, saving 30 hours per week" and "implemented boss' recommended pub/sub heptagonal meta architecture event sourced distributed pseudo sharded hybrid cloud something something, attaining sustained P95 latency of sub 3 picoseconds for 2 days"

Sadly, I was never able to keep up the act for more than 12 months. I'm just too contrarian, sarcastic, jaded. (I used to tell myself that I was "results oriented". I now see I was just an asshole. Everyone lies, needs to suspend disbelief, have a reason to crawl out of bed every morning. Who am I to piddle in their Cheerios?)

I'd like to think that if someone had clubbed young(est) me with the clue stick, I could have adapted.

YMMV. Happy Hunting.

Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

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But also don’t give up your principles and use AI stuff if you’re against it. Hiring people who haven’t used it will be a marketable skill too

>" Hiring people who haven’t used it will be a marketable skill too ". Can you explain your thinking on this? Obviously there will be jobs where AI isn't required, so omission of experience would be fine, but I can't think of any reason why it would be marketable to advertise "I've never worked with AI" . In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a resume that contains anything along the lines of " I haven't used X ". Yo…

It's a moral stance. But AI isn't as bad as say, biological weapons. It's closer to piracy.

So it's like I've never used a gun. Which isn't really a strong point. At the very least, even if you don't plan to use guns, you'd know how guns work and where they don't.

Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>" Hiring people who haven’t used it will be a marketable skill too ". Can you explain your thinking on this? Obviously there will be jobs where AI isn't required, so omission of experience would be fine, but I can't think of any reason why it would be marketable to advertise "I've never worked with AI" . In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a resume that contains anything along the lines of " I haven't used X ". Yo…

It's a moral stance. But AI isn't as bad as say, biological weapons. It's closer to piracy. So it's like I've never used a gun. Which isn't really a strong point. At the very least, even if you don't plan to use guns, you'd know how guns work and where they don't.

I can understand the stance, I'm just saying that it's not something that I would ever describe as "marketable".

No one is saying "I've never used a gun" or "I've never pirated a movie" on their resume to market their morals. Resumes are to market the skills you have that match the job you're applying for, not for marketing your moral stance.

Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

#28
Three years ago I left my job with VERY high salary because I was starting to burn out and took two months off.

From my experience, if you're burnt out or starting to burn out then leave, otherwise I recommend staying until you secure another job.

Regarding the situation, they want to delete the tests? Fine, you have git right? Replace it, and let everything set on fire, quietly enjoy the chaos and at some point revert the changes. Or don't, you're leaving anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

#29
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The market is not easy right now. I would not leave unless you have something definite lined up. > 1. Be pushed into a workflow that will cause my technical growth to stall or degrade Whether your growth stalls or degrades is up to you, but in my country your employer's ability to tell how you how to produce/deliver the work (not just the outcome desired) is the difference between being an employee and contractor You…

>You should remain open to new things in this industry I'm open to new things. I've seen demo's, attended presentations, and spent a long time toying around with it myself. I have not been convinced there is any meat there, not in it's current iteration. LLM's are designed to make things that "look" like human output and thus are very good at hiding bugs. It's ok at getting the first 20% of the project done, but that…

Feel free to make your own decisions about this stuff but know that there are people with lots of experience and success in the industry using llm coding tools successfully (I’m one).

I am in a situation where ai was mandated, I was skeptical, but took it as a chance to try it out. I now can’t imagine going back.

Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?

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Is it worth leaving? Hard to say for your specific situation, there's thousands of variables that no one here will ever know. Unless you are a superstar or independently wealthy, it's typically a bad idea to leave a job before you have something else lined up. Is it worth looking? Absolutely! It will be much easier to make a decision when you're comparing your current position to a job offer, rather than comparing yo…

Assume OP is talking about grabbing a new rope before letting go of another one; otherwise we are mixing generalities about career moves not specific to the issue in the topic.
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