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Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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1. Multimeter. 2.Soldering iron, for starting out I suggest spending a little more and getting a Hakko 888 instead of something cheaper. 3. Flux, Leaded solder, Braid. 4. Broken things you want to repair (for me it has been electronic musical instruments). 5. Practice, Patience, and hobby money. 6. Pay for Youtube Premium. 7. Ali Express Account.

I second all of this. As for curriculum the basics are your friend!

Understand atoms and valence electrons 1st.

Get acquainted with ohms law and…

Tackle series circuits, then parallel then series parallel with resistive loads only 2nd.

If you’re feeling ambitious move on to ac theory capacitors and inductors, transformers and get comfortable converting polar to cartesian and vice versa.

Typically diodes and then transistors next.

Thats pretty much it for the low level.

Find a book that covers this stuff and avoid maxwell and the physics approach unless at some point you want to suffer / get really deep.

Also, flux. Lots of flux and alcohol to clean it up. Flux is the key to good solder joints, that and getting comfortable creating jigs. Whatever you're soldering has to remain still while the solder sets. Let the heat and capillary action do the work.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I believe Youtube videos are a great resource for learning this! I picked up electronics and computer/gpu repair as a hobby over the pandemic lockdowns. A cheap multimeter and a cheap soldering iron/hot air station combo will get you very far in the hobby. I enjoy these channels: MyMateVince (a guy who fixes many useful household items): https://www.youtube.com/user/mymatevince StezStixFix: https://www.youtube.com/@S…

YouTube videos are great -if- the problem you're having is exactly the same as the problem the YouTuber is solving. For example, I was able to replace the HDMI capacitors on my A/V receiver because I lucked upon a YT video where the problem I was having was identical to the problem the YouTuber was solving. So it was basically, buy these capacitors, replace them, and off you go. Repair usually just requires basic soldering skills and the ability to put things back together you took apart.

When the problem is not exactly the same, I'm just lost. There is not a lot of diagnosis videos on YouTube. All the videos are: "1. I observed this problem. 2. [???] 3. I'll walk you through soldering on the new components." skipping the most important step 2.

Same for car repair videos: "I see Problem X happening. Problem X usually means component Y has failed. Here's how to replace component Y. The end." If that doesn't work, you wasted money on the part and your time ripping apart your car and putting it back together.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I am no expert, but I have to imagine it would be quite hard to learn electronic repair without learning some basic circuits.

I've learned a decent amount with some electronics adjacent hobbies, like 3d printing, diy sim racing stuff, mechanical keyboards. Mainly just copying things other people build. Enough that recently I was able to diagnose a broken transformer in an electronic theater chair power supply.

This channel is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/@greatscottlab/videos

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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Louis Rossmann’s electronics guide was the first time these concepts truly clicked for me: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkVbIsAWN2ltOWmriIdOc5Cti...

Apart from that, just fix broken stuff. Practice like any other skill, like others have said.

Like decide what skills to learn based on what’s broken.

Need to solder something together? Buy the soldering iron. Need to figure out which capacitor you need to replace with? Learn how to identify capacitors and navigate digikey.com

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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Roughly in order

Beginner

* Get a Miniware TS101 USB C soldering iron, some solder, solder wick, flux

* Get a mediocre multimeter

* Do a little soldering assembly kit to learn how to solder, there are some good NASA manuals and videos to learn techniques and you won't need to do as good a job as they do

* Learn how to identify and replace broken capacitors

* Learn how to replace power and USB connectors

* ^ (a huge proportion of things that are fixable at all are going to be those two)

Intermediate

* Learn about static (ESD) safety, get the equipment and supplies to prevent frying things yourself

* Get an arduino or other low cost prototyping board and learn to program it and do little projects

* Find some broken consumer electronics with guides on https://www.ifixit.com/Guide and try to fix them, these things are often less about "electronics" and more about glue

* Read the parts of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance about maintaining and fixing things

* Read https://www.eevblog.com and watch https://www.youtube.com/eevblog for information and inspiration

Advanced

* Get an oscilloscope and bench power supply, learn how to probe and analyze signals on boards

* Figure out yourself what next steps to pursue, you should be able to at this point, or at least to ask more specific questions

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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If you want to git gud?

Find some popular piece of electronics with a fatal design flaw that’s trivially fixed with some basic rework that you can flip for $25-$1200. Do this a hundred times. Branch out.

This changes year to year but could be fixing joycons, reflowing bga’s, upgrading soldered memory on newer laptops, doing case swaps on consoles or smartphones, and as others have pointed out, lots of automotive, vintage collectible computer, or hifi work.

A plugin hakko soldering iron, a hot air reflow station, Amtech STIRRI-V3-TF flux, some copper braid, and Kester SAC305 lead free solder will get you 95% of the way there.

The financial component means you churn through hundreds of devices rather than dozens or less if you were to do it as a hobby.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I learned basic electronics repair from modding and building arcade controllers, aka Fightsticks. That eventually evolved into Game Boy repair, and iPod retrofitting, and electronics restoration. It's kind of like cooking; find something you want to make, then follow the directions, and then make something else, and eventually, you'll come across a problem that you have the foundation to solve.

The most basic core of practical electronics repair is that there are things that should be conductive and things that shouldn't be conductive and you need to figure out how to do either.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

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I believe Youtube videos are a great resource for learning this! I picked up electronics and computer/gpu repair as a hobby over the pandemic lockdowns. A cheap multimeter and a cheap soldering iron/hot air station combo will get you very far in the hobby. I enjoy these channels: MyMateVince (a guy who fixes many useful household items): https://www.youtube.com/user/mymatevince StezStixFix: https://www.youtube.com/@S…

YouTube videos are great -if- the problem you're having is exactly the same as the problem the YouTuber is solving. For example, I was able to replace the HDMI capacitors on my A/V receiver because I lucked upon a YT video where the problem I was having was identical to the problem the YouTuber was solving. So it was basically, buy these capacitors, replace them, and off you go. Repair usually just requires basic sol…

I agree that the diagnosis and visual inspection is the most important skill in fixing random items.

In the channels that I suggested, all of them go into the repair not knowing what the fault actually is. They take the viewer through the whole diagnosis, and they (with the exception of Electronics Repair School) are not electronics technicians.

Once a person has seen enough different ways of diagnosing items (by watching videos or hands on trying), then faults in other items become easier to find.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn practical electronic repair?

#30
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get an isolation transformer and a cheap storage oscilloscope.

A good oscilloscope is stupid expensive but is also amazing for this type of work. I count myself lucky I have a friend who's an electrical engineer and I can borrow his work one. It makes everything so much easier. I'm sure for someone experienced the benefit is marginal but having a bunch of probes and being able to see the waveform feels like cheating for an amateur like me.

> A good oscilloscope is stupid expensive

They're not that bad. You can get a good entry-level oscilloscope from a company like Rigol or Siglent for ~$300.

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