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Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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That breach of privacy from the recruiter sounds extremely frustrating. but i'd suggest still looking for paid SWE work in the short term, so you have a way to pay the bills and save some money, until you figure out what your next plan is. If you've founded multiple companies previously, can you reach out to your network and see if there's a former client / colleague you could help with consulting or contract work, u…

The recruiters weren't at fault - the VC fund jumping to conclusions and running to tattle to my cofounder and NOT me first was what I had issues with. If I had more personal capital I'd consider suing. If anyone wants the name of the firm I'm more than happy to name names.

My network is ok, but frankly not great. Fortunately I have friends in New York who support my decision to leave and do other things in tech - potentially altogether. I really appreciate your kind words.

I've considered law school for some specific niche interests I've cultivated - fortunately have good friends in that field as well.

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Many SWEs suffer from imposter syndrome. If you have been in the industry for any length of time, you know plenty of tech people who have 'made it big'; so it is easy to feel inadequate if you haven't. Some of those who are very successful are truly talented and deserve everything they got; but some were just lucky. It's not blind luck like winning the lottery, but rather being at the right place at the right time. Y…

I think I'm maybe just burnt out, but also maybe using cursor too much zapped my brain. I literally failed a tech screen for writing typescript. Not sure I really have the motivation to re-learn.

Thanks for your kind words. I did after all build some cool things during this time I'm still proud of.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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I want to pivot to arts and philosophy, but these are areas with guaranteed hardship when it comes to money.

My luck is that there's still a lot that interests me in tech, like datalakes, data intensive systems, OTP and webdev with elixir and phoenix, compilers and micro vms...

For me it's an easy answer, I can use tech to finance my true purpose. I'm also lucky enough to live in a country where 66k USD affords me a very comfortable life.

For you there seems to be something more fundamental missing. You seem to be in the start of a journey inwards to understand what's your purpose, what could fill the Ikigai for you.

If you have money, take a break, travel, go meet people, broad your possibilities. The world isn't just SWE, specially silicon valley cutthroat morally-bankrupt SWE. If you immerse yourself in the world out there there'll be no guarantee you'll find what you want and there is a good chance you'll suffer, but it's likely you'll find something, and that I think makes it all worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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post #5

Hmm. 1. Get a job that pays the bills for starters, doesn't have to be fancy or pay much, just enough that you don't become homeless. 2. Do something in your spare time that you're interested, just for fun, with no expectations or even plans of making money from it. 3. You will profit in a way you couldn't possibly plan or predict. Or maybe not. But probably. Either way, you're not homeless or starving.

Even though I can't really afford it I'm going to start seeing a therapist. Right now just reaching for some kind of knowledge work that won't torpedo my resume. If I really didn't care I'd just go get a job at Fedex in Maine or Vermont.

What's most embarrassing is potentially having to stay at my parents to avoid sinking into my savings further. Obviously others are having a hard time to, part of the mental hurdle is acknowledging that what I thought were "interesting choices" has lead to me being single at 30 with only a few hundred k to show for it.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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You could start a business. Not a startup and not necessarily even a software business, although your experience would make it easier to hire programmers. Understanding how the business end of the business works is valuable. You could go into management. You could do SW work in a non-technical field. Manufacturing is making a resurgence.

My resume seems too fragmented for eng management roles, same odd hurdle for product. The few bites I've gotten have all been technical product roles - which actually makes a lot of sense.

Part of what also drove me to hate SF is how so much of "business" there is entirely fake. It's vapid and disgusting.

Might take some time to see friends as well - I've just had a few very exciting years making ok money with very little consistency and all I want now is a normal job that maybe pays $140k or so. I don't feel like that's insane either - the notion that being able to pay for an apt food and a car is "entitlement" in 2025 is ridiculous.

but thanks for your kind words.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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I want to pivot to arts and philosophy, but these are areas with guaranteed hardship when it comes to money. My luck is that there's still a lot that interests me in tech, like datalakes, data intensive systems, OTP and webdev with elixir and phoenix, compilers and micro vms... For me it's an easy answer, I can use tech to finance my true purpose. I'm also lucky enough to live in a country where 66k USD affords me a…

Haha, cool to see someone else who's done lots of work with Elixir! Most of my early career was building elixir for fintech companies.

Not sure that I'm ready to leave the U.S. yet - currently that would probably push my stress over the edge. Fortunately, I've never really gotten that much out of material things or clout chasing. That said, money is money and money gives you options.

That said, I solidly do not have any interest engaging in SF culture any longer. Frankly I find it kind of pathetic and entertaining.

I want to prioritize my life and find another GF (had a breakup about a year ago). Relationships (friends or otherwise) have always given me more than stupid startup clout, which has always proven to be single dimensional or fake.

Really appreciate the kind words. If I could make money doing it, I'd love to be an arborist in the east coast.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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Being a SWE doesn't mean you have to be involved in the startup grinder. I work for a privately owned company, and while my TC would be way better working for a FAANG or dealing with the startup world, there's no way I would mentally survive working in either of those environments for the 12 years I've done where I am now.

I don't work on glamorous projects; most of what I make will never be seen outside of my company, even. But I've got a child, got to move back to the rural town I was born in after I inherited my late grandfather's house (since I've been WFH my 12+ years), and I can genuinely say I enjoy my work most days.

If it's the actual job you hated I'd tell you to go back to school for something else or get into a trade, but it sounds more like you're just tired of the culture surrounding the startup and big tech scene. Go find work from companies that aren't "tech companies", you're less likely to run into leetcode interviews, shitty work/life balance, and the constant fear of your employer folding any morning.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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I feel you. That’s not easy and you have every motive to be frustrated. Tech interviews nowdays are really strange, but also seems that you have burnout. Take a bit of therapy it helped me a lot

Somehow they feel more degrading than usual - I'm fully open about the fact that my ability to "write from memory" has atrophied and many engineers are just better than me. It's just wild that to get a half decent job I have to do things like implement json parsers from scratch in 20 min...

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

#29

I mean, I would say least try working for a salaried programming job in a stable company. It's still an incredibly well paying career for the level of responsibility & seniority. I'm paid almost as much as an MP and I'm on the bottom rung of my company with virtually no responsibility. I think if you go and get a "normal" job like being an electrician you'd be in for a shock about the level of work and relatively low…

I'm working on this - but frankly most of these companies appear to have off-shored their roles or stop responding when they realize I'm not on H1B. Sometimes I think because I'm a black man they think I'm an immigrant that they can hire more cheaply. It's happened on numerous occasions before.

I've actually thought quite a bit about being an arborist. I've always kept trees at a few friends places and really enjoy the ecology aspect. That said, I don't want to live at or around the poverty line like I did while I was a founder at a prev startup only making $40k post tax. I'm just not about that life anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

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post #3

At 30, you're still young! If I was starting today, rather than an electrical engineering degree, I'd choose a trade: probably electrician, or plumber. I know a few kids working for themselves in these trades and they are in unceasing demand.

While they are in demand, it wanes/self corrects as all the subcontractors start their own gigs, overpopulate, and contact back to a few providers. The road to financial success in them is also long and brutal. If the economy tanks, there will also be a lot of trades people out of work due to the lack of new construction. I'm assuming that would impact apprenticeships too.

Unfortunately, I don't really want to consider contract work. I largely want a consistent paycheck I can count on.
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