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Re: Ask HN: Ways from the EU to the USA

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Post by GoldenMonkey »

amarcheschi wrote: post #19
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fearmongering is outrageous. Life goes on in the US and not much has changed. Unless you are joining terrorist gangs or openly supporting known terrorists organizations you will be fine, just like all my German, French, Spanish, Indian, Mexican, Iranian and whatever else neighbors I have are.

Life goes on in the US but innocent people were detained and deported without a due process, let alone a reason to be. And the people behind it would like to make it even worse

Really? Absolutely not the case. But, keep your head in the sand and read the slanted media.

Re: Ask HN: Ways from the EU to the USA

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Post by tastyface »

GoldenMonkey wrote: post #21
amarcheschi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life goes on in the US but innocent people were detained and deported without a due process, let alone a reason to be. And the people behind it would like to make it even worse

Really? Absolutely not the case. But, keep your head in the sand and read the slanted media.

Most everything parent said was true. People were punted to a concentration camp in a foreign country without due process or proof of any criminal record. Then, the administration refused to ask for those prisoners back despite a court order and a 9:0 Supreme Court rebuke. Now, Trump wants to send “homegrowns” to those same one-way camps for crimes as petty as vandalism.

Not sure what “slanted media” you’re referring to, but it can’t be any more slanted than whatever tabloids you’re inhaling. If there is no due process for “illegals,” there is also none for the rest of us.

Re: Ask HN: Ways from the EU to the USA

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Post by tastyface »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #17
clejack wrote: post #2

You say you're 19. I take it you don't watch the news or at least not the U.S. news (which is understandable)? I have some bad news for you my aspirational friend. Things are changing very fast. It seems as if we're quickly losing the freedom to have the wrong ideas. This was certainly a thing when Dems were in office, but now it has been amplified into an Orwellian form. And as far as immigration goes, if you don't…

Go to Europe and say/tweet mean things about specific groups and you will be locked away. Go to the US and support MS-13 and terrorist organizations and you will be locked away. These are not the same level of Orwellian.

“““Terrorist organizations””” — how long until antifa or BLM is considered one of those? Meanwhile, the Jan 6 rioters all got a royal pardon. What a joke.

Re: Ask HN: Ways from the EU to the USA

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Post by mdhb »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #14
rl1987 wrote: post #10

As things stand now, I wouldn't feel safe even briefly visiting the States.

As long as OP is not an MS-13 gang member he will be fine.

I literally just got done reading an article about two German high school graduates who decided to visit Hawaii to celebrate spent time in jail because ICE didn’t like the paperwork they had for their accommodation.

Re: Ask HN: Ways from the EU to the USA

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Post by clejack »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #17
clejack wrote: post #2

You say you're 19. I take it you don't watch the news or at least not the U.S. news (which is understandable)? I have some bad news for you my aspirational friend. Things are changing very fast. It seems as if we're quickly losing the freedom to have the wrong ideas. This was certainly a thing when Dems were in office, but now it has been amplified into an Orwellian form. And as far as immigration goes, if you don't…

Go to Europe and say/tweet mean things about specific groups and you will be locked away. Go to the US and support MS-13 and terrorist organizations and you will be locked away. These are not the same level of Orwellian.

Come to the U.S. and say something bad about Trump while also being in a compromised position, and you might find yourself in a similar situation. At what level this will end, I can't say; but we know where we were and we know where we currently are. Any average Joe could've talked shit about Biden with impunity. It seems we're getting away from that.

The fact that Europe has some aspects "worse" from your perspective is immaterial. I'm responding to a change in my environment not a change in the European environment. Having the president threatening schools and libraries for having certain books, and organizations for using certain terms when things weren't like that before is a rather jarring change and to pretend that it isn't indicates intellectual dishonesty or a lack of paying attention.

I was just listening to a story about immigrants with student visas being hunted down by ICE while they still have student status (even if you visa expires your legal status is maintained with your student status normally). The fact that this person is trying to immigrate from Europe means he/she may very well have an issue depending on background.

Re: Ask HN: Ways from the EU to the USA

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Post by MaxHoppersGhost »

tastyface wrote: post #23
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to Europe and say/tweet mean things about specific groups and you will be locked away. Go to the US and support MS-13 and terrorist organizations and you will be locked away. These are not the same level of Orwellian.

“““Terrorist organizations””” — how long until antifa or BLM is considered one of those? Meanwhile, the Jan 6 rioters all got a royal pardon. What a joke.

Slippery slope argument is a fallacy
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