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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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My daily driver is a 2014 MacBook Pro. It's had a few repairs over the years, but in addition to Apple no longer supporting current macOS for it, I'm starting to feel the performance is impacting my work as well. I'm still debating a replacement, but Linux on Ryzen is a leading option. I don't like Apple's recent work with macOS, and while the hardware seems to continue to be excellent, I'm not sure that's enough. I'…

Have you spent any time looking at OpenCore Legacy? I briefly was using it on my 2014 13" MBP to install whatever the latest version-1 was. It worked well for a bit but I ran into an issue after an update. I bailed on it but learned later that it was a relatively easy fix. Might give some new feature support to you.

I really think this era of MBPs was the best. I'm kind of shocked how well my 2014 still works.

I've got a 2010 iMac that my kid uses running Sonoma (macOS 14) via OpenCore Legacy and it works great for him. I'm currently waiting on a wireless card to give him Bluetooth 4 so he can use Airdrop.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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My daily driver is a 2014 MacBook Pro. It's had a few repairs over the years, but in addition to Apple no longer supporting current macOS for it, I'm starting to feel the performance is impacting my work as well. I'm still debating a replacement, but Linux on Ryzen is a leading option. I don't like Apple's recent work with macOS, and while the hardware seems to continue to be excellent, I'm not sure that's enough. I'…

Have you spent any time looking at OpenCore Legacy? I briefly was using it on my 2014 13" MBP to install whatever the latest version-1 was. It worked well for a bit but I ran into an issue after an update. I bailed on it but learned later that it was a relatively easy fix. Might give some new feature support to you. I really think this era of MBPs was the best. I'm kind of shocked how well my 2014 still works. I've g…

I've looked, but never played (this being my primary personal device, it's not something I want to have out of service).

I guess that's probably also why I feel like this is the wrong solution for me. I don't want to have to deal with issues on this laptop. If I pull a system update, I want it to install without a problem, automatically, overnight, and not require hours of debugging and reverting and then finding a fix a week later.

I appreciate the effort and skill that goes into making it, and if this was a less critical device for me it might well be the right solution.

Also, I agree re: peak MacBook. The keyboard is good, the ports are good, they're tough, and I really can't believe that the performance has been enough for over 10 years. It'll be a sad day when I move on.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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My daily driver is a 2014 MacBook Pro. It's had a few repairs over the years, but in addition to Apple no longer supporting current macOS for it, I'm starting to feel the performance is impacting my work as well. I'm still debating a replacement, but Linux on Ryzen is a leading option. I don't like Apple's recent work with macOS, and while the hardware seems to continue to be excellent, I'm not sure that's enough. I'…

Apple builds their devices for consumers not developers. With each iteration people are increasingly locked into that ecosystem. And the hardware is designed to be obsolete within 5 years or so. Laptops in general are built to a price point. Personally, I only find the gaming laptops sufficiently appealing, but the price tags put me off. Have you considered a desktop / minitower for the bulk of your work? Multiple LC…

It's funny: there was a time when Apple understood that it could attract customers by making its devices the first choice for developers. And it did a good job, with a real Unix underneath that wasn't overly hidden, with a lot of open source support, and just generally being an ok citizen in the developer world.

That strategy, which I think ran from early OSX through until mid-2010's? worked, and you'd see the results, with a sea of glowing Apple logos, even at Linux conferences.

I think they've changed since then. It feels now like developers are not a priority, even as they've re-added some power-user features in recent years.

As for longevity, I think my current laptop speaks for itself. It's now 11 years old, and going strong. I've carried it around the world, dropped it numerous times, and it's been the best laptop I've every owned. They do artificially force an end-of-life, usually at around 7 years old, for their operating system. I don't really have a problem with that: I appreciate that it's difficult to continue to support old hardware in new releases, and I think that timeframe is reasonable. I'd prefer that it was explicitly stated, and I'd prefer it was longer, but ... it's not bad, really.

Over the years I have had many devices: desktop PCs, Unix workstations, Linux workstations, and laptops from 6" to 17". In the early 2000s I bought a 12" Powerbook, which was my first Mac -- the motivation was to get seamless Microsoft Office document support on a Unix system, and it did a fine job of that. Eventually I spilled water on it, and replaced it with a 13" unibody MacBook, which I later upgraded to the current 15" MacBook Pro.

I currently have a work-supplied dual Xeon 56 core, 192GB RAM, 8TB SSD monster Dell with 2x27" screens on my desk which is used for my day job compiling a large proprietary C++ application. That's the right kind of machine for that job, and I wouldn't do it on a laptop by choice.

But for my personal stuff, while I'd previously set up my laptops as a secondary device to be used when travelling, when I got the 2014 MBP, I deliberately upgraded to the 15" screen, maxed out the CPU, and got a big SSD so I could make it my primary device. And that's been a model I have liked a lot.

I don't travel anywhere near as much these days, and could probably revert to a desktop instead and just access that remotely via Tailscale when I travel, but ... I like having everything in the device in my hand.

But it's a good point: I should probably reconsider.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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post #4

My daily driver is a 2014 MacBook Pro. It's had a few repairs over the years, but in addition to Apple no longer supporting current macOS for it, I'm starting to feel the performance is impacting my work as well. I'm still debating a replacement, but Linux on Ryzen is a leading option. I don't like Apple's recent work with macOS, and while the hardware seems to continue to be excellent, I'm not sure that's enough. I'…

Have you considered kicking tires on Linux installed on your MacBook?

I have a 2018 Mac mini running Ubuntu well. It actually dual boots macos as well using the refind bootloader. Refind can be installed and booted from a USB key as well so pretty straightforward to try. Make a empty partition from macos for Linux. Then boot Linux iso and install there. Boot refind and you can select which os to use. The 2018 mini even supports esxi and windows if you want to quad boot

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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Have you spent any time looking at OpenCore Legacy? I briefly was using it on my 2014 13" MBP to install whatever the latest version-1 was. It worked well for a bit but I ran into an issue after an update. I bailed on it but learned later that it was a relatively easy fix. Might give some new feature support to you. I really think this era of MBPs was the best. I'm kind of shocked how well my 2014 still works. I've g…

I've looked, but never played (this being my primary personal device, it's not something I want to have out of service). I guess that's probably also why I feel like this is the wrong solution for me. I don't want to have to deal with issues on this laptop. If I pull a system update, I want it to install without a problem, automatically, overnight, and not require hours of debugging and reverting and then finding a f…

> I don't want to have to deal with issues on this laptop. If I pull a system update, I want it to install without a problem, automatically, overnight, and not require hours of debugging and reverting and then finding a fix a week later.

This is why I never made the jump to Linux. Around 2017-2019 Apple's Laptops had gotten really bad. I was considering moving to Linux, but I've had several situations where I've run normal Ubunutu updates from Canonical and found myself unable to boot. I don't know if this is common, I don't think I was doing anything unusual (stock Ubuntu).

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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I got my first MacBook from work about 8 years ago. Before that I used Linux on desktop and laptops for about 10-12 years. A die hard core Arch Linux btw type of user.

At first I hated Mac, but then I got used to it. Eventually I bought MacBook for myself. The M processor is amazing. Silent, can last a whole day and more on battery.

Once in a few months I consider switching back to Linux on thinkpad or framework laptops, but reading reviews such as loosing battery when hibernating, noise from the fans, thermal throttling, just makes me love Mac more.

I spend 60% of my time in neovim and 30% in Firefox, so the OS does not bother me much, it’s still *nix based with the addition of having all the popular apps. And I like the ecosystem.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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I left several years ago and moved to Windows with WSL. It has worked well for me. I have tried using Linux as a daily driver but can't. Years ago I used BeOS and then Linux as drivers but my needs expanded. Issues with Linux... there's software that I need that doesn't have an equivalent that meets my needs on Linux so, I would need to limit my Linux usage to only the other things I need but... Not all of the games…

Your experience very clearly highlights the fact that every person has a different collection of requirements and that generic advice is only helpful in pointing general directions and highlighting some non-obvious considerations.

Yup

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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The only macs I used were work issued ones, and all of them have been terrible. I can't imagine spending your own money on those. I went through 5 in a 4 year period, through no fault of my own. At home I was Linux for the longest time, running VFIO passthrough to a windows VM. Once WSL2 got released, Im fully on Windows. WSL2 does everything I need in terms of Linux, so now I pretty much have the best possible setup…

I second the "be sure to get Windows Pro" if you are getting windows primarily for WSL usage.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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I'd used until 2020, and moved away to Windows laptop.

The key reason of moving is that, Apple suddenly moved Korean/English change to another position. In Korea, the language changing key is positioned at the right of space. And in 2017, Apple suddenly erased the language changing key, and let user to guie "Caps Lock" button instead. And the original "Caps Lock" key, it is working only when pressing the "Caps Lock" key over 2 seconds.

I thought that Apple did a terror to Korean users. However, I just kept using the Macbook just by customizing the language change key to others by the 3rd p zarty key mapping program. ' By the way, Apple did more terrible thing at 2020. They suddenly removed "\" (Korean dollar symbol called "won"), and moved it to use the "`" key. The previous "`" key has been disabled when typing Korean. So when writing markdown content, whenever I need codeblock, it makes me crazy.

Furthermore, Mac has critical bug on language changing delay problem. If I press the language change button and keep going typing, the language change is adjusted after the following keys. This is called language chaning delay. Korean users are requesting t fix the bug for 20 years, but never be resolved.

  - expected: 안녕하세요 여러분 (pressed 한영전환) Hello everyone
  - actual; 안녕하세요 여러분 (pressed languge change key) ㅗ디ㅣㅐ ㄷㅍㄷ교one

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone moved away from Mac?

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I got my first MacBook from work about 8 years ago. Before that I used Linux on desktop and laptops for about 10-12 years. A die hard core Arch Linux btw type of user. At first I hated Mac, but then I got used to it. Eventually I bought MacBook for myself. The M processor is amazing. Silent, can last a whole day and more on battery. Once in a few months I consider switching back to Linux on thinkpad or framework lapt…

The hardware is a real selling point, I researched a little before buying my current MBP, but none of the non-mac laptops convinced me. The Mac ARM processors are just that good, it seemed I could only get similar performance with twice the wattage and case size.

Then there's the issue (maybe personal) that I don't trust Linux not to give me trouble with drivers. Network drivers in particular are a pain in the ass to deal with because, well, you're out of a network connection (persistent broadcom card issues in the past).

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