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Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Look away from what? Musk and his antics show up in threads regularly. But it can't be on the front page 5 times a day. There's an article discussing current admin shenanigans on the fp right now.

In your previous post you tried to deny and minimize the problem. That kind of apathy is exactly what you can't afford to look away from.

Can you link me the post where I did that because I don't even know what 'problem' you're referring to.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Does anyone have anything new to say on these topics? We're going around and around in circles. Is there a substantial discussion? Do we learn anything new?

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Cutting the size and scope of government programs and regulations has more in common with the founding principles of individualist liberalism than collectivist authoritarian ideologies like National Socialism.

I would wager that, "Everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist" isn't something new to this site or online discussions generally. To the contrary it is a tired trope. It does not inform us or stimulate a new discussion.

Therefore, before making such comparisons, the accusers should have substantial evidence. The burden of proof should be much higher than your article's, "Appears to make gesture".

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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In your previous post you tried to deny and minimize the problem. That kind of apathy is exactly what you can't afford to look away from.

Can you link me the post where I did that because I don't even know what 'problem' you're referring to.

This one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907961

The problem is that so much of the tech industry is now precisely about politics and power. The problem is that so much of the tech industry it is now explicitly and directly connected to it.

If Hacker News doesn't have the wherewithal to face up the these realities then it really should think about a name change.

Maybe "Happy Fun News" or something.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Most things are in some way connected to politics and power and they're regularly discussed here, along with their political implications and power dynamics. That still doesn't mean every news story is worth discussing here given that it's a forum with the explicit goal of not discussing most news stories.

But it's not in "some" way connected. It's now explicitly and directly connected. You can't look the other way anymore.

Maybe so. But I still don't have to talk about it here. There's lots of places to talk about politics, and Musk, ad nauseum. HN is supposed to be about something else.

Politics may be destroying a large number of things right now; I don't want it to destroy this site too.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Can you link me the post where I did that because I don't even know what 'problem' you're referring to.

This one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907961 The problem is that so much of the tech industry is now precisely about politics and power. The problem is that so much of the tech industry it is now explicitly and directly connected to it. If Hacker News doesn't have the wherewithal to face up the these realities then it really should think about a name change. Maybe "Happy Fun News" or something.

I don't understand what that's supposed to be denying. I'm just explaining how HN works. The connection between tech and politics is hardly new and it's discussed on HN all the time. I mentioned there is a current events discussion on the front page right now and I got it wrong - there are two, and that's not counting the many places these topics come up in other threads. I just don't see how you arrive at this 'looking away' business. Not having a thread for every Elon Musk goosestep is not 'looking away', it's just no the sort of place that has a thread for every Elon Musk goosestep.

There's links to literally years of explanations of this stuff in my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907475

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Hacker News Guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

USA turning into a Russian style oligarchy fits neatly in the "interesting new phenomenon".

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Hacker News Guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

I mean, it does seem that Musk stories get flagged way more rapidly than other Trump misbehaviour stories; in practice I suspect that a certain amount of the user base is comprised of his weird sycophants.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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But it's not in "some" way connected. It's now explicitly and directly connected. You can't look the other way anymore.

Maybe so. But I still don't have to talk about it here . There's lots of places to talk about politics, and Musk, ad nauseum. HN is supposed to be about something else. Politics may be destroying a large number of things right now; I don't want it to destroy this site too.

Politics is a major part of the tech industry now. It's what it has become.

Building any kind of ethical framework for hardware and software engineering necessitates looking at the ugly side.

If Hacker News is genuinely not up to that then it's falling short.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Cutting the size and scope of government programs and regulations has more in common with the founding principles of individualist liberalism than collectivist authoritarian ideologies like National Socialism. I would wager that, "Everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist" isn't something new to this site or online discussions generally. To the contrary it is a tired trope. It does not inform us or stimulate a new…

> It does not inform us or stimulate a new discussion.

But someone connected to the American government flipping two fascist salutes at the inauguration of the new president sure does.

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