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Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

ilaksh wrote: post #6
52-6F-62 wrote: post #3

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In this view the purpose of creating art is self-development? I suspect we could drill down into what you are trying to say for a whole thread but the result is just going to be a specification for pretension.

In all views. It certainly isn't a checkbox.

Why don’t you shelve the pretentious corporate rhetoric yourself and re-read what I’ve suggested.

Get off the computer and pick up a pencil, or mound of clay, or whatever, and give it a few years of regular practice. Theres nothing pretentious about that. It will do everything and I will need to say nothing.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by camillomiller »

It seems that you, like everyone else with a purely technical background, are missing the mark completely about art and Generative AI. The point of art (unless it's purely craft) is in the process, which is exactly what gen AI makes (or claims it's making) obsolete. Every single time someone says something along the line of "optimizing" the art process with the AI is missing the mark.

The reason why this doesn't appear to be clearer, is that this field if filled with tasteless technology-driven engineers that think they can explain or reduce everything to numbers.

Go talk to your friends, and go to their exhibitions. Witness and celebrate their process. They don't need "courses" on such a misplaced and self-entitled technology.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by dartos »

echelon wrote: post #19
dartos wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now. It’s just market forces being unsure about the future of hiring artists. Companies are like lemmings, they just follow one another. Artists already know that gen AI is just another tool in the toolbox. We’re just waiting for MBAs to also realize this. GenAI making artists obsolete is a dumb idea. No MBA is going to be trying to coax a GenAI model into making an image.

I don't think I made my argument clear. This isn't about companies not paying artists, it's about peer-to-peer opportunities contracting and the market shrinking at the bottom. https://www.reddit.com/r/artistforhire/ This is hardly the only community for this, and it's evaporated into a ghost town. Prices have decreased an order of magnitude. This is one of the ways up and coming artists without professional training…

Oh yes absolutely.

Contract art for individuals looking for a custom image has been devastated by GenAI.

This makes a little more sense as the bar for quality is much lower than a widespread commercial product and most individuals are willing to compromise on that to get a good desktop wallpaper quickly for free.

Even local events have been using AI banner images.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

echelon wrote: post #12
52-6F-62 wrote: post #3

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> Obsolete… The fucking hubris There are some real dangers here that need to be navigated. Junior artists who get their start doing commissions are not going to have that path anymore. Reddit's job boards for junior artists are a literal desert now. In a sense, the activation energy gradient to producing good results has lowered such that the economic reward for up and coming artists has deteriorated. > Why don’t you…

You know that people can see you as you sit there sharpening your teeth.

I dont think anybody who has taken up an artistic practice, professional or otherwise, should or would spend much time basing their life decisions around an online job board.

You’re missing the point.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by camillomiller »

echelon wrote: post #12
52-6F-62 wrote: post #3

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> Obsolete… The fucking hubris There are some real dangers here that need to be navigated. Junior artists who get their start doing commissions are not going to have that path anymore. Reddit's job boards for junior artists are a literal desert now. In a sense, the activation energy gradient to producing good results has lowered such that the economic reward for up and coming artists has deteriorated. > Why don’t you…

Taking anything a16z does as an example disqualifies any conversation about art. You all can only think as a fuction of capital allocated and possibility to make money. It's ok about technology, it doesn't work about art. You just have the wrong set of tool for the discourse, but the Dunning Krueger is strong.

So disgusting.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by uludag »

cdrini wrote: post #26
52-6F-62 wrote: post #3

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He said he's trying assuage his friends' concerns that artists are obsolete. Ie op agrees that artists are not obsolete.

I think there's a condition though. That if they learn generative AI tools then they won't be obsolete. If op was just of the view that there's nothing special about generative AI, then the post would read very different.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

cdrini wrote: post #26
52-6F-62 wrote: post #3

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He said he's trying assuage his friends' concerns that artists are obsolete. Ie op agrees that artists are not obsolete.

Obsolete for what purpose?

I dont think any aspiring artist, professional or otherwise, was ever deeply concerned about their future prospects in creating corporate graphics or mechanical pop songs. It was a fast buck, that’s all.

Attempting to seduce them into committing ever more of their creative efforts in the service of a machine that only seeks to churn out more artifacts misses the entire point of ever starting, and especially continuing, an artistic practice of any kind.

The entire purpose is in the act of creating and the efforts involved in honing a craft that entirely relies on your commitment.

It doesn’t get any simpler or less pretentious.

The road to mastery is the entire bloody point.

Trying to encourage your own friends to short circuit that only serves in getting you to the artifact faster, and in the process neglects anything of any value from the entire process. Is that really being a friend?

Unless you think the only thing that matters here is the artifact. Then you’re lost.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by text0404 »

echelon wrote: post #12
52-6F-62 wrote: post #3

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> Obsolete… The fucking hubris There are some real dangers here that need to be navigated. Junior artists who get their start doing commissions are not going to have that path anymore. Reddit's job boards for junior artists are a literal desert now. In a sense, the activation energy gradient to producing good results has lowered such that the economic reward for up and coming artists has deteriorated. > Why don’t you…

> job boards

> activation energy gradient

> producing good results

> economic reward

> build recognition and clout

> big advantage

> a16z is investing

> bootstrap production

you're saying a lot of things about commodification and mass production, which are completely unnecessary to the expression of the human condition.

Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists

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Post by fergonco »

echelon wrote: post #9
freeone3000 wrote: post #5

That’s the point of generative AI, though, isn’t it? You put in text, you get out an image, no more need for discernment or skill or labor. No amount of explanation of vector math will change the fact that article headers can now be generated from the article, or you can say “give me a spaceman on a planet looking at twin moons” and a Steam game header is generated with some basic cropping. Incidental and corporate a…

> That’s the point of generative AI, though, isn’t it? You put in text, you get out an image, no more need for discernment or skill or labor. The best tools in this space are spatial editors and node editors. Text is weak sauce. Also, you can't use text modalities for film and 3D. It has to be art tooling to get good results. Artists will always have a job. They'll just be doing way more than they were before.

We will always need to work in the fields. With agricultural machinery we'll be doing way more than we were before.

if the amount of new offer is not paired by demand, there will be pain.

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