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Re: Ask HN: Tips for hacking a TV?

#21

Whatever you do, don’t touch the capacitors, especially if it’s an old TV, even if it’s unplugged. Could kill you. Old TV caps pack a serious punch (even when unplugged)

The UN24H4500 is an LED monitor.

The big risk in old TVs was the enormous voltages in the CRTs (which acted as a capacitor and stored energy even when off, and even pick up energy from background sources)

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Hacking TVs was a favourite pasttime of mine. There's nothing quite like flashing a TV with AOSP such that it thinks it's 55" smartphone. Lock screen and all.

See if you can find a service manual for your TV. You'll want to get UART as soon as possible.

Just remember crashes are for chumps: https://gist.github.com/Benjamin-Dobell/bb13f6169aaa48625453...

PS. I think that may be my favourite piece of code I've ever written. Mostly because it's completely absurd but worked just fine.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for hacking a TV?

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Whatever you do, don’t touch the capacitors, especially if it’s an old TV, even if it’s unplugged. Could kill you. Old TV caps pack a serious punch (even when unplugged)

I think that's no longer true for modern flatscreen TVs. Older CRT TVs had caps charged to a dangerously high voltage, but all the caps on an LED/LCD TV should be a low enough voltage to be touch safe.

Mains will still kill you, even if its not 3.3kv or what was needed to run a CRT.

Its always best to work out where the mains PSU is, and either cover/isolate it so that you don't touch it by accident. Even if turned off, there is a non-insigificant risk that there is either mains power lying around or some other large charge/current ready to bite.

THe back of the inlet is also tends to be a hazard, so be really careful around there too.

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Good luck. I learned an enormous amount about hardware design from a Philips plasma display I got for free some 20 years ago as it wouldn’t show an image for more than a few seconds and multiple repair people had said “buy a new one” to the business that gave it to me. £10,000 piece of kit, working. Philips were actually enormously helpful. I just called them up (well, after going to a TV repair shop, picking the guy…

Must’ve been really nice for those cold days. Plasmas are great on someone else’s power connection.

We had a great one that almost fully negated the need for a heater in the winter. Blackest blacks!

Still miss it, but probably miss the $5k I shelled out for it.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for hacking a TV?

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Whatever you do, don’t touch the capacitors, especially if it’s an old TV, even if it’s unplugged. Could kill you. Old TV caps pack a serious punch (even when unplugged)

That may have been true a long time ago in the age of CRT (picture tube) televisions but anything with a flat screen contains a bog-standard switching power supply with a bunch of 450V-or-so capacitors which will give you a nasty bite but not much more than that. In CRT sets it typically [1] wasn't the discrete capacitors which posed a problem but the CRT itself which was used as a smoothing capacitor for the HT power supply. The in- and outside of the back of the tube were (are) covered with a conducting paint (e.g. 'Aquadag' [2], a colloidal graphite coating) with the inside connected to the HT power supply and the outside connected to ground. That 'internal capacitor' can keep its charge for a long time. As to whether it 'can kill you' that seems to depend on a lot of factors ranging from the discharge path, physical condition of the subject and more. There are many reports on people getting zapped who describe it as 'a nasty jolt' but survivor bias means this is not what you should go by - just avoid getting zapped by discharging the tube.

[1] there are exceptions, e.g. older vacuum tube sets which used a mains-driven EHT circuit with discrete capacitors

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquadag

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's no longer true for modern flatscreen TVs. Older CRT TVs had caps charged to a dangerously high voltage, but all the caps on an LED/LCD TV should be a low enough voltage to be touch safe.

Mains will still kill you, even if its not 3.3kv or what was needed to run a CRT. Its always best to work out where the mains PSU is, and either cover/isolate it so that you don't touch it by accident. Even if turned off, there is a non-insigificant risk that there is either mains power lying around or some other large charge/current ready to bite. THe back of the inlet is also tends to be a hazard, so be really care…

Can't echo this enough. If you're working on anything that has been connected to residential mains... use a multimeter. They're cheap! Check the power supply for residual voltage from PSU caps. Discharge them safely before working on the equipment!

Re: Ask HN: Tips for hacking a TV?

#28

Whatever you do, don’t touch the capacitors, especially if it’s an old TV, even if it’s unplugged. Could kill you. Old TV caps pack a serious punch (even when unplugged)

Ya, i can relate.

Me too. I was about 8 when I took my TV apart and brushed my arm against that capacitor. Packed a wallop, and kept my arm in a ridged state for a bit.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for hacking a TV?

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must’ve been really nice for those cold days. Plasmas are great on someone else’s power connection.

We had a great one that almost fully negated the need for a heater in the winter. Blackest blacks! Still miss it, but probably miss the $5k I shelled out for it.

My 50" 2007 Pioneer Kuro Elite ($5,000 in 2007) still has the best picture I've ever seen. Almost 3D. No repairs/service ever.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for hacking a TV?

#30

Hacking TVs was a favourite pasttime of mine. There's nothing quite like flashing a TV with AOSP such that it thinks it's 55" smartphone. Lock screen and all. See if you can find a service manual for your TV. You'll want to get UART as soon as possible. Just remember crashes are for chumps: https://gist.github.com/Benjamin-Dobell/bb13f6169aaa48625453... PS. I think that may be my favourite piece of code I've ever wri…

I have a Samsung smart tv which I’ve never accepted t&c and never connected to wifi.

I’d love to make it dumb or at least get rid of the nags to accept t&c or connect when someone accidentally hits the wrong button on the remote. Anything out there to do that?

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