Nope.
Anyone want to buy an (Oculus) Quest Pro. It's barely used! ;@)
Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#22I tried, and went back to laptop+monitor. In theory it would be great when on the go, but it doesn't really function without a laptop present, which makes it pretty unwieldy as you need two devices. In theory it would be good in a the back seat of a car or when walking around, except the software doesn't allow you to do that (windows are pinned to space outside the car, you can't make them follow you). When I'm at a desk, I guess it would be better than a _bad_ monitor, but I have a nice big 8k screen and it's both better looking and more comfortable.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#23I feel like I would have been the ideal customer for it. I travel a lot and I'm a developer deep in the Apple ecosystem who is constantly wishing he had more screen real estate while bouncing between hotels and Airbnbs every few weeks.
I bought it and tried it for two weeks and ended up returning it. It's really cool, but even aside from the issues with 1.0 like not being able to just pull up individual app windows from my mac or multiple desktops -- it's just too impractical, it takes too much effort to get into this thing.
A phone, a tablet, a laptop, you can pick up, immediately use, put down, interact with the world around you, pick up again, zero friction, it's not restrictive, it's not an item of clothing, it doesn't take over your whole world and sensory system and thus alienate you from everyone and everything around you.
Not only is it that whole extra thing, but it needs to be plugged into a special battery pack, so you have another usb cable dangling onto this bulky pack which is daisy chained to your laptop or another charging port unless you want it to die in 2 hours. So you pull out your laptop, plug it into a charger, pull out your headset, plug it into its battery pack, plug that battery pack into your laptop, put on the headset, untangle yourself from the wires and figure out where to set the battery pack to be out of the way...
It's just so much faffing around. Plus it's fucking huge and takes up the majority of my backpack and I like to travel with a single carry on backpack.
A pair of Raybans with a usb c cable sticking out, maybe I could see that being legitimately usable without having to make a giant effort just to use it. It seems like a few companies are getting close to that, but I have yet to try those alternatives.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#24Yes, I do. It’s an amazing monitor and combination iPad. It’s very different than what is easy to describe - partially because it defies convention in so many ways - but I use it with my Mac and then will have mail and chat and music floating on the sides. Btw I said iPad. Apple says it’s a computer. Falls short in some key ways, but not unfixable It is heavy but I don’t mind it. I can see how that might be a deal br…
>It is heavy but I don’t mind it. Consider trying a counter weight. Hunting supply stores sell them for nightvision goggles, and when I tried one on my friend's Valve Index it was shocking how much better it felt.
Sounds like Apple's product designers failed here.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#25I feel like I would have been the ideal customer for it. I travel a lot and I'm a developer deep in the Apple ecosystem who is constantly wishing he had more screen real estate while bouncing between hotels and Airbnbs every few weeks. I bought it and tried it for two weeks and ended up returning it. It's really cool, but even aside from the issues with 1.0 like not being able to just pull up individual app windows f…
Very much agreed. Here is the pair of Raybans with a USB-C cable sticking out: https://www.viture.com/store?pid=9412104487193
It works with phones, too, which is cool!
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#26I want to, but it’s too heavy. Also, Universal Desktop was just slightly too buggy for daily driving last time I tried it. It has received lots of updates and bugfixes though so I should give it another shot.
I haven’t used it recently because I don’t travel with my AVP (again because it’s too heavy).
You can only use first party desktop extension if you use iCloud. Naturally I firewall off all Apple services from my desktop computers.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#27Not my cup of tea, but there's some folks that use the xreal glasses which might be more comfortable than vision pro as it's more like having a fixed screen in front rather than being in VR: https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMobileComputers/search/?q=glass...
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#28Yes, I do. It’s an amazing monitor and combination iPad. It’s very different than what is easy to describe - partially because it defies convention in so many ways - but I use it with my Mac and then will have mail and chat and music floating on the sides. Btw I said iPad. Apple says it’s a computer. Falls short in some key ways, but not unfixable It is heavy but I don’t mind it. I can see how that might be a deal br…
I'm of the opinion that Apple will never natively allow unmanaged code outside macOS due to app store revenue. I mean if the AVP fails it would be a huge write down but if it wins and allows people to circumvent the Apple tax that's still a fail for the company.
You could still do enforcement through legal rather than technical means, though.
Disallow installing apps from outside the App Store, provide no system UI to do so. Prohibit apps from being app stores themselves or running code that didn't pass app review, with exceptions for dev tools etc. Make apps able to escape the sandbox, at least in some ways.
Even if an app somehow sneaks past app review and gives users unfettered access to their devices, it can't ever get too many users. If it's unpopular, it's not a concern to Apple, if it becomes popular, Apple will know about it and can levy very heavy contractual fines on the dev.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#29I only use it for watching movies at times but nothing beyond that.
Have you tried the Meta headset for movies?
When traveling, the Xreal Air 2 glasses are fantastic for watching video or playing games on your switch or steam deck. It’s light and comfortable, the FOV is good enough IMO, and the image quality is pretty solid (plus it’s using OLED). They don’t have to be charged at all and you don’t stand out as much as if you were wearing a full headset.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone working at least 4 hours daily on an Apple Vision Pro?
#30Yes, on WebXR and Unity-based “fully immersive” projects. Usually 8-10 hours a day, though not straight through.