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Re: Ask HN: Isn't all SaaS just wrappers?

#23
1. What hate?

2. Saying all SaaS are wrappers is a wrong assumption. A service company provides a service of sorts via the medium of software. Take a CRM, it's a system to aggregate contacts, leads, deals etc. and their interaction in some sales pipeline. There might be 3rd party services integrated but the service itself is not a wrapper. You could be cheeky and say you are wrapping a SQL database but then every software written is a wrapper. So?

3. This is the real kicker: It's a question of dependency. If your entire business is completely dependent on another company, you've already failed. In the early days of Facebook's ads api, I had an ad-tech startup that managed ads in bulk on Facebook and later Instagram etc. Facebook was our "partner". Our "friend". They took us to dinner and sent us flowers. We had money, success, the lot. Until one day, our partner becomes our number 1 competitor. And thus an entire industry imploded.

Re: Ask HN: Isn't all SaaS just wrappers?

#25
That's a very dismissive view point. I guess technically all software is just a wrapper around some other software or libraries that's a wrapper around the language that's just a wrapper around assembly instructions.

As for 'GPT wrappers', I haven't seen many mentions of this. It might be more common in non-technical circles where people downplay the role of 'AI' in the marketing. I don't see it as a negative if the product does something else in addition to AI. I have noticed many products only doing AI and then you could use the AI wrapper term negatively because they're so easy to recreate using existing free AI products.

Re: Ask HN: Isn't all SaaS just wrappers?

#27
> Isn't all SaaS just wrappers?

Hahahahahah*gasp*ahahahah! Oh, I almost wish that were true!

My current workplace? There's stuff like a custom flowchart-language, with pseudo-programs that differ for each customer and have to match their implicit remote business rules. It talks to dozens of different APIs of other products of which a given customer might use a few, and each have their own unique insanities, like breaking HTTP specs, or falling over with just a little traffic so that we need our own caching layers.

Then there are some revenue-generating features that are basically custom-glue logic for synchronization and hand-offs between those client-systems, because not all clients are able/willing to develop a nice one-stop centralized management system of their own as a precondition of doing business with us and using our primary features.

> Not sure why these "GPT Wrapper" companies are getting so much hate.

Because they are that kind of lame shovelware and thin wrappers designed to extract money from the confused.

Re: Ask HN: Isn't all SaaS just wrappers?

#28
The "hate" is for apps that only pre-package the GPT with a pre-written prompt and don't do much else. And the reason is, I think, because simply making a prompt template is usually not a significant enough value-add except for the most untechnical users. Most users can solve their problems just chatting with the GPT directly.

To get to the first part of your question: no. Every SaaS I've worked on for instance has included months if not years of creating intellectual property (often from scratch) so that the user's are receiving significant value over what they could do themselves.

Jealousy aside, I think they are poor business models because there is little to no barrier to entry.

Re: Ask HN: Isn't all SaaS just wrappers?

#30
If you think about it, all software is already an abstraction of hardware by definition.

The real debate might be whether AI is the core technology driving a SaaS product or just an add-on to keep up with current trends. For example, SaaS products used to classify marathon runners’ images likely rely heavily on computer vision AI models—without them, the task would be extremely tedious. On the other hand, AI summarization in an email client is more of a nice-to-have feature than a necessity.

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