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Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by e61133e3 » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 1:24 PM UTC

No.

We are in an hype fase. VC's pump money into it because it is the current hype, before this it was NFT's and crypto. The fase "AI" or a better name for it is LLM or GenAI will also pass. VC money will run out. There is no real business model yet that can support the enormous amounts of resources needed to train it and to run them.

Hardware is not fast enough yet.. it could be sustainable when it runs locally on my hardware. Till that time I see this as another hype we shouldn't pay a lot of attention to.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by greatwhitenorth » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 1:25 PM UTC

> AI can help me improve my efficiency by at least 30%

How did you measure it? Did you measure the efficiency that Intellisense, codegen, tools, etc.. provided to you before ChatGPT/copilot and what would be the delta?

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by sneed_chucker » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 1:32 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #17

AI or not, has there ever been a 50 year span in human history where the majority of jobs didn't get redundant? Technology evolves. Newer jobs spring up to replace the ones that were lost. People adjust to the new reality, and our lives are better because of it.

> AI or not, has there ever been a 50 year span in human history where the majority of jobs didn't get redundant?

Yeah, many. For tens of thousands of years you were either a hunter or a gatherer. Even after agriculture shows up something like 12000 years ago, the job of farmer, craftsman, soldier, etc. were pretty stable.

Job churn really only begins to happen with industrialization, and that process is only something like 200-400 years old depending on where in the world you are.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by nilslindemann » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 1:35 PM UTC

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #20

> I can’t do without the help of AI Yikes. Maybe you shouldn’t be in software engineering? Not a great look, professionally.

I can smell your fear.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by meiraleal » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 1:45 PM UTC

No. AI will make most of our current work, Yes. Then we will figure out what we do that AI can't do. That's how tech evolves since always

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

nilslindemann wrote: post #24

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #20

> I can’t do without the help of AI Yikes. Maybe you shouldn’t be in software engineering? Not a great look, professionally.

I can smell your fear.

The no-code/low-code/offshoring/nearshoring phases we’ve been through and the number of hallucinations I’ve seen are the best job security I could ever ask for.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by vlugovsky » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 2:13 PM UTC

Someday - yes. But for now, the rate of improvement of AI has slowed down. They all show that they have beaten another benchmark, but there's no breakthrough similar to GPT-3.5.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by nilslindemann » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 4:09 PM UTC

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #26

nilslindemann wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can smell your fear.

The no-code/low-code/offshoring/nearshoring phases we’ve been through and the number of hallucinations I’ve seen are the best job security I could ever ask for.

I see. You know how to look great, professionally.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 4:22 PM UTC

nilslindemann wrote: post #28

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The no-code/low-code/offshoring/nearshoring phases we’ve been through and the number of hallucinations I’ve seen are the best job security I could ever ask for.

I see. You know how to look great, professionally.

Look? Do. The reason all the above fails (and why AI dependent developers will fail) is quality of work product.

Re: Ask HN: Will AI make us unemployed?

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Post by petabyt » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 5:53 PM UTC

jondwillis wrote: post #19

petabyt wrote: post #3

I do embedded development, I've tried a ton of models and all of them end up hallucinating and wasting my time with the very obscure and undocumented things I work with every day. Maybe if you're in webdev land, AI will replace you, I don't know I have as much hope in AI as I had in website builders and no-code platforms

Do you include good examples and documentation for context, since they do not seem to include much training data directly related to what you’re working on? I have mixed to positive-ish results with that approach.

I mean how am I supposed to give it a 10k-50k page TRM? I would much rather read the TRM and understand things myself than have it spit out a questionable answer that I still have to double-check to make sure it hasn't hallucinated.