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Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

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#23

Are programmers being replaced by ChatGPT finally?

ChatGPT and other AI are useful at generating functions based on patterns of text they've learned, but at the core they have no awareness or intelligence, and never will. You can't trust it.

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#24
It's pretty brutal here in Australia.

Higher interest rates mean companies are aggressively reducing headcount.

Insanely high immigration means statistically for every 1 job being created we're importing 1.4 workers.

Job vacancies across the economy are down 16.4% yearly change according to ABS.

Also according to ABS, Job vacancies, change from February 2020 to May 2024, for IT is an increase of just 1.8%.

In summary, jobs market is getting ugly out there, triply so for IT.

The simple solution to this & the housing crisis is to restrict immigration, but instead we have record immigration because without it we'd be in recession(our economy grew 0.1% last quarter, GDP per capita went down).

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#25

I'm based in the EU as a fullstack developer and nothing changed much, I'm hearing that there's a crisis on the US market but it's not reaching the EU yet or it's so small that it's not visible to me.

There's definitely been a dip in the UK since 2021. Hiring went crazy and has calmed down a lot, back to pre-COVID levels.

I think people just expected the mad hiring to continue but it clearly wasn't sustainable.

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#26
I feel like at least part of the problem is that tech hiring as a whole just hasn't adapted to remote work. Companies are still using the same hiring pipelines from when everyone was naturally filtered by being within X miles of the office (or motivated enough to relocate), so they get bajillions of applications they're unable to handle properly, which leads to devs who would previously stand out also having to apply anywhere and everywhere to get noticed at all, which exacerbates the problem even more, and the entire process slows to a crawl for everyone because of the sheer mass of applications on every side of the equation.

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#27

I feel like at least part of the problem is that tech hiring as a whole just hasn't adapted to remote work. Companies are still using the same hiring pipelines from when everyone was naturally filtered by being within X miles of the office (or motivated enough to relocate), so they get bajillions of applications they're unable to handle properly, which leads to devs who would previously stand out also having to apply…

For all of those candidates remote is a taboo word, if they even mention remote work, any potential interview gets blown.

Companies are treating it as a crime to ask for remote work.

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#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no way you can replace competent programmers with ChatGPT. I still have to check the output all the time and it’s often wrong or just doesn’t even know what I’m asking about.

But many people are claiming that chatgpt increases their productivity by 50-100%. Doesn't it mean we need less programmers now?

It's easy to be 50% faster at coding when you spend a lot of time discussing with the LLM before you start coding.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

#29

What market are you in? We can only speculate based on presumptions.

It's tech market for senior dev positions for almost all of them.

They are in all sorts of tech like Django, React, pure python, full frontend stacks etc.

Re: Ask HN: What do you guys think of the current job market in tech?

#30

Are programmers being replaced by ChatGPT finally?

ChatGPT and other AI are useful at generating functions based on patterns of text they've learned, but at the core they have no awareness or intelligence, and never will. You can't trust it.

They only need to learn patterns and apply them contextually to be useful. What they don't have is human lived experience, so we are still necessary to guide it
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