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Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #15

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You are wrong.

I doubt it but maybe you can tell me more about the wrongness.

I've noticed this phenomenon of disappearing posts as well.

There are "flagged" posts, which say [flagged] and then there are disappearing posts which just, disappear!

I have had such posts open in separate tabs, and when refreshed they and their content show up blank.

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #17

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Try logging in as a new account with less than 15K of karma and speak passionately about topics which mean something substantial. It's a different HN world view.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the idea that a generic Ask HN about HN itself is going to be 'disappeared'. HN posts are almost never 'disappeared'. But maybe you can find some links to examples of the bad things you're describing? There's people commenting on all sorts of topics all the time and the overwhelming majority of their comments appear to be doing fine.

And separately, some people apparently vote down if they just don't agree with you, even if it is a valid comment.

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it but maybe you can tell me more about the wrongness.

Try logging in as a new account with less than 15K of karma and speak passionately about topics which mean something substantial. It's a different HN world view.

What happens after 15K karma?

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the idea that a generic Ask HN about HN itself is going to be 'disappeared'. HN posts are almost never 'disappeared'. But maybe you can find some links to examples of the bad things you're describing? There's people commenting on all sorts of topics all the time and the overwhelming majority of their comments appear to be doing fine.

And separately, some people apparently vote down if they just don't agree with you, even if it is a valid comment.

That's because this is perfectly fine on HN, with a proud and ancient history - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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Try logging in as a new account with less than 15K of karma and speak passionately about topics which mean something substantial. It's a different HN world view.

What happens after 15K karma?

We don't discuss that openly.

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #25

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What happens after 15K karma?

We don't discuss that openly.

I got asked for tailoring measurements recently as I'm approaching ascension - I'm looking forward to what I'm guessing is a 15k club jacket.

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it but maybe you can tell me more about the wrongness.

I've noticed this phenomenon of disappearing posts as well. There are "flagged" posts, which say [flagged] and then there are disappearing posts which just, disappear! I have had such posts open in separate tabs, and when refreshed they and their content show up blank.

They don't, unless the poster deletes them and that only works if there are no comments (for story posts) or replies (for comments).

Go to your profile and check the 'showdead' checkbox. You will see more crappy things but if that's what you want, they'll be visible to you.

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #20

HN is having a major influx of users. If you're curious look at https://hackernews-insight.vercel.app/overview . It would be strange if it weren't changing into a different place! There's many more lurkers here and that's going to change the dynamic significantly. I suspect a lot of the lowering civility you perceive is coming from a larger userbase that sees less kinship in the other and sees this place more like a…

You'd have to take out spam account creation which is a more likely explanation for much of these spikes. There's no corresponding increase in submissions or comments so these big increases in users don't appear to correspond to matching increases in other visible activity. I looked at a related metric recently - unique users/N comments (i.e. how many unique users per, say, 100k consecutive comments). This number has…

What makes you think spam account creation is up and what changed in the last 2 years that made spam accounts so much more easily createable?

Comment counts haven't changed but text post creation absolutely has. Given that no more stories are being flagged than usual, in fact if you amortize this over new user counts a lot less per user, I'm going to say that it's genuinely new text accounts that want to engage with HN by making text posts.

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd have to take out spam account creation which is a more likely explanation for much of these spikes. There's no corresponding increase in submissions or comments so these big increases in users don't appear to correspond to matching increases in other visible activity. I looked at a related metric recently - unique users/N comments (i.e. how many unique users per, say, 100k consecutive comments). This number has…

What makes you think spam account creation is up and what changed in the last 2 years that made spam accounts so much more easily createable? Comment counts haven't changed but text post creation absolutely has. Given that no more stories are being flagged than usual, in fact if you amortize this over new user counts a lot less per user, I'm going to say that it's genuinely new text accounts that want to engage with…

I think it's the other way round - what makes you think these vertical temporary spikes of account creation can possibly be organic growth? Even viral growth doesn't look like that and, again, it's not reflected in the normal activity of the site. Creating accounts in bulk has always been trivial, there was a spam post with 600 upvotes just yesterday.

As to the text posts, I'm not sure I understand its relationship to your original claim, that is an odd jump but it doesn't sound all that difficult to look into, without that we'd both be mostly guessing (my guess is still likely spam but I have no idea). Unless you already have?

Edit: I tweaked the query slightly and I haven't looked into the content but that kinda looks like spam to me? I.e. the number of nondead text stories hasn't changed in years. Spamdetection kills a lot of stuff as you can check for yourself by browsing /newest

https://play.clickhouse.com/play?user=play#U0VMRUNUCiAgICBDT...

Re: Ask HN: What's your perfect Hacker News?

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Giving a down vote costs you 2 (or more?) of your own votes. As the very least, down votes should require a comment. Even "false", "not true" or "disagree" would help. My sense is, there's a network of HN users who attempt to manipulate the exposure of ideas by downvoting them (to the point those comments aren't even exposed). Don't get me wrong, there are comments that deserve DV'ing. Moi? I can't be bothered. I jus…

> As the very least, down votes should require a comment. Even "false", "not true" or "disagree" would help. This may be a bad idea. Think about the recursive effect: Someone downvotes, and gives an explanation. Someone downvotes the downvote, and gives an explanation. That's a worse discussion, because it has no more real comments, but all these downvote comments (or worse, comment chains).

Maybe. But I'll take my chances.

Down voting and not adding context because you simply don't like an idea (which on HN happens more than it should). That is, a very subjective DV.

Is not the same as an objective DV. That is, the statement is false and that should be known.

Again, the current system is too easy to manipulate. See an idea that doesn't fit your (narrow?) sociopolitical lens and you can make it disappear. Not because it's objectively incorrect, but simply because you don't agree with it. That's childish, at best.

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