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Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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Books like “Why We Sleep” and podcasts like Huberman Lab are kind of like a junk food version of science: They deliver some bits of information that can be helpful, but they’re so coated in stretched truth, overconfidence, and stories crafted more to sound good than to be accurate that it’s not really accurate science material. In a case like yours (difficulty sleeping) that might actually be fine, to be honest. A lo…

> are kind of like a junk food version of science

While I have long agreed with this sentiment, I'd like to gently push back against the idea that "science" is itself coherent, reliable, monolithic, or able to be digested by a single human at all. I suspect what you're actually comparing to is in-depth reading of published papers from which you draw your own conclusions—reliable or not—drawn arbitrarily from a pool where there's basically zero way to actually verify the quality of the papers you're reading. In this light I don't think it's a bad thing that people are given a glimpse of scientific understanding through pop-literature because the vast majority of people—even those that read papers—grossly overestimate the certainty of knowledge that they have not specifically specialized in.

This is a long-winded way of saying basically nobody interacts with "science" directly. It all comes down to trust, and I strongly suspect that the trust in a give pop-literature writer isn't that much worse-placed than the average person writing the academic papers in the first place—outside the topic of the paper, of course. It's incredibly difficult to aggregate knowledge without serious evidence about how trustworthy the publishers and writers are, and sadly credentials and brand prestige tend to be piss-poor evidence.

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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post #16

I dug into this quite a bit for a while. A book that I found pretty good, albeit at times redundant, is "Say Goodnight To Insomnia". The author has studied sleep, specifically insomnia, for a good chunk of their life and uses CBT to conquer insomnia. The book also talks a bit about myths around sleep which I found interesting.

I also looked into this topic for several years due to my insomnia issues. Ultimately it took forming a new relationship with sleep for me. To let go. Easier said than done. An online CBT-I class helped me make this shift. I later read the book Hello Sleep [1]. It shared information similar to what I learned on my journey. I recommend the book.

1: https://drjadewu.com/

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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I enjoyed reading Life Time by Russell Foster [1]. Professor Foster is the Head of Oxford’s Nuffield Laboratory of Ophthalmology and the founder and Director of the Sleep and Circadian Research Institute. In it he covers lots of aspects of sleep and ways to try and improve it.

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58417761-life-time

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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post #7

Why We Sleep has some issues, but for a primer, it's a good intro. I read that before I got into working in the neurotech/sleeptech space. The Cambridge textbook The Neuroscience of Sleep and Dreams[1] I found surprisingly approachable. I've long had an interest in neuroscience, so it wasn't a completely new subject to me, but it wasn't a bad read. I'm a life-long insomniac, you didn't go into the details of your sle…

My understanding is that scientific understanding of sleep is relatively limited and tenuous at that, compared to other medical topics. A professor at a sleep lab once joked to me that in fifty (or whenever) years, knowledgeable people will find today’s sleep science wrong. As such, I never seriously consider applying recommendations from “sleep science” to my personal life. (Though, to be fair, I’ve no problems slee…

Yes, that is overly cyncial. The last 10 years or so has seen big leaps in our understanding of the fundamentals of sleep mechanisms. I think there's a long way to go, but we know enough that genuinely science-based advice can help a lot of people.

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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Learn to meditate. One hack I use is to listen to a Delta rhythm trance which is the deepest brain speed. It is so powerful that the task is to stay awake. I made my recordings using Gnaural, which may still be available. When in this state you can reprogram your unconscious. Wear earbuds or headphones lay in bed, without committed diligence, you will be sleeping.

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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It's a bit cliche but the most accurate book is the one you can write for yourself.

Seriously, make yourself a guinea pig, experiment and have fun. All whilst making note of how things are affecting your sleep.

Here are some starter experiments:

-no tech within 1 hour of bedtime

-do household chores or go for a walk/run a few hours before sleeping

My last tip for all of this is to have self-compassion, a majority of things won't work but that's the methodologies problem not yours. Decide if you want to tweak it or move on.

Good luck and best wishes.

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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Sleep researcher here. The most detailed you can find would be "principles and practices of sleep medicine", but that would not give you direct advice on how to solve your problems, more a general understanding of that.

If it's Insomnia, consider a cognitive behavioral therapist. If it's something else, look for the right expert. It can be also an external condition (e.g., do you live close to railways, airports, chemical plants?), diet and lifestyle, genetic factors etc... Without knowing what is your main sleep complaint is difficult to advice you.

Re: Ask HN: Most accurate scientific book on human sleep?

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I really enjoyed "The Sleep Solution" by Chris Winter

It's less catastrophizing about bad sleep than Why We Sleep, has a good sense of humor, lots of great information about Insomnia and other problems. Unlike "Why We Sleep", Dr. Winter is a practicing sleep doctor so has perhaps more practical perspective.

https://www.amazon.com/Sleep-Solution-Why-Your-Broken/dp/039...

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