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Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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I rolled all my 401ks into an IRA on Betterment. They automatically buy Vanguard ETFs and some other stuff. Has some nice features like earnings projections and automatically setting your equity/bond composition (like you can set it to 10% bonds and it will automatically rebalance all your ETFs)

What fees does betterment have if any? What allocations have you opted for?

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post #13

I rolled all my 401ks into an IRA on Betterment. They automatically buy Vanguard ETFs and some other stuff. Has some nice features like earnings projections and automatically setting your equity/bond composition (like you can set it to 10% bonds and it will automatically rebalance all your ETFs)

What fees does betterment have if any? What allocations have you opted for?

.25% on top of any investments you have through them, on top of the fund expense ratio https://www.betterment.com/pricing

That is 62k gone to fees assuming:

12k start, 12k put in per year. for 30 years at 7%.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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My 401K as of this moment:

Traditional 401K: 100% GME

Roth 401K: 100% IBIT/FBTC (bitcoin ETFs)

This is not investment advice, but my general rule is to use 401Ks and IRAs for, high-risk, high-gain, short-term, tax-inefficient trades.

My traditional 401K is mostly unvested company match. If GME crashes and I lose all of it, bleh, I change jobs earlier, no big deal. If GME skyrockets, I sell, then stay at my current company and vest that shit.

As for the roth 401K, I believe there is a high chance in BTC going up drastically more in the next 1 year, in which case I'll sell and the government can't lay their rotten hands on a penny of it. If BTC crashes due to some short term economic crisis, I'll just hold until it goes back up some time in the next 25 years, which I believe is nearly certain.

My normal brokerage account is where I do long-term index funds and long-term investments, because they are already taxed much less at long-term rates, and I can sell them at a future time when they would be taxed even less (e.g. hypothetical future gap year with intentionally zero income, hypothetical future time I'm not living in California).

Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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post #19
post #13

I rolled all my 401ks into an IRA on Betterment. They automatically buy Vanguard ETFs and some other stuff. Has some nice features like earnings projections and automatically setting your equity/bond composition (like you can set it to 10% bonds and it will automatically rebalance all your ETFs)

If you just rolled your money into vanguard directly, you would avoid the .25% annual fee which is a lot of money compounded over time

Right, Betterment and Wealthfront primarily only if you don't want to do anything more than shoveling money into a single place.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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was in similar position -- rolled all previous employers into vanguard IRA, self directed; VTI, NVDA, JPM, COST, MRK... have not regretted decision to take direct control

Are you listing all of the stock tickers you invested in, or are we only getting a curated subset?

People overestimate their ability to pick stocks when they are up. Not everyone gets lucky.

(For the record, I am up a lot but I sold my NVDA way too early to take advantage of the current hockey stick)

Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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I am a VTSAX and chill-er. Before doing the math, I spent years with an EFE managed account that would’ve eaten $100,000s in fees over the life of the account, which seems like overkill to shuffle around a few index funds in a 401k. I should’ve become an investment banker.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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was in similar position -- rolled all previous employers into vanguard IRA, self directed; VTI, NVDA, JPM, COST, MRK... have not regretted decision to take direct control

How do you choose the companies?

Looks like they read Jim Cramer's Mad Money book: choose 5 diverse companies and research them about an hour a week.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you keep your 401k investments?

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post #13

I rolled all my 401ks into an IRA on Betterment. They automatically buy Vanguard ETFs and some other stuff. Has some nice features like earnings projections and automatically setting your equity/bond composition (like you can set it to 10% bonds and it will automatically rebalance all your ETFs)

I actually just left Betterment because over the last few years their Core portfolio has really lagged performance of my non-Betterment investments (largely VTI, VTSAX, VBTLX in approximately 80/20 stock/bond split). Upon ACATS-ing over to another broker, I found they'd purchased some funds with high fees when there were really similar funds available with far, far lower fees. The only reason I can think of to buy a higher expense fund when a much lower expense variant exists is in the name of tax loss harvesting, but even that is a really short-sighted decision.
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