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Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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I believe that gpt-4o was really gpt-5, just renamed, and the multimodal stuff they demoed will actually be released within a month.

The gpt-4 branding has made quite a reputation, I will not be surprised if they milk it until it lasts

Right and I guess everyone forgot that there was a panic about GPT-5 taking over the world or something and Altman publicly declared they would not be released GPT-5 soon.

So that is why the name changed maybe.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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Everyone keeps thinking current GPT models will improve to be superhuman, it won't. It's trained on human data. Much like alpha-go had to drop completely the concept of learning from human plays since it was stuck at a local minimum. Once they started to train with adversarial networks, it evolved a well above the previous local minimum (with an extra order of magnitude of computation). So, don't expect much more from the current generation of AI.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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Here's a completely made up point of view. (I haven't read the articles.) GPT-4 is not an LLM, but a complex software system, which has LLM(s) at its core, but also other components like RAG, toxicity filter, apologizing mechanism, expert systems, etc. "GPT-4" is product name / marketing name. For OpenAI, this would be logical for performance and business reasons. This explains also how they can tune it, the apparent…

GPT-4 leap from GPT-3 is like you said. GPT-5 might be another leap that we can't predict.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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Everyone keeps thinking current GPT models will improve to be superhuman, it won't. It's trained on human data. Much like alpha-go had to drop completely the concept of learning from human plays since it was stuck at a local minimum. Once they started to train with adversarial networks, it evolved a well above the previous local minimum (with an extra order of magnitude of computation). So, don't expect much more fro…

Kind of have the same intuition. However, to play devil's advocate, the human data and knowledge far exceeds what a single human can know and learn - so it would make it already superhuman.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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We'll continue to see diminishing returns as time goes. The low hanging data sources have all been consumed and now everyone is battling for scraps of what's left. There's still a lot of optimization that can be done as illustrated by GPT-4o.

Basically the same trap as CPU's in the 90's early 2000's where the naming convention had to change to reflect the fact that speeds can't continue to double every 2 years.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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I predict - a steady increment of GPT-n+1 every 6 months for marketing purposes. - each will improve on the last by smaller and smaller margins. - hallucinations won't be fixed anytime soon. - We will hit a bit of a winter, as the hype was so big but like self driving cars the devil is in the details. The general public realizes these things are just essentially giving us averages. - A big market will emerge around "…

> - a steady increment of GPT-n+1 every 6 months for marketing purposes. You already failed then, gpt4 was released more than a year ago

Reasonable assumption would be from now moving forward. Last release was gpt-4o.

But there is little to engage with in your comment, I'd be most curious to explore on what u believe it's capacities might be, and societal impact.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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post #13

I believe that gpt-4o was really gpt-5, just renamed, and the multimodal stuff they demoed will actually be released within a month.

GPT-4o feels GPT5ish to me. It's crazy fast and doesn't make the stupid mistakes 3 and 4 did. Also it doesn't hallucinate nearly as much and its inference capability is impressive. I can be rather vague in my question and it typically understands what I am getting at.

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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Training takes a few months, but I bet that they'll do some testing first before releasing it to the public. I also believe that they will delay the release of GPT-5 as much as possible, the reason being that it will be underwhelming (at least in comparison to GPT3.5 hype). Possibly release close to some Google new release timeline (their main competitor). They are the main driver of a bubble that has benefited a lot…

Your opionion is based on the assumption that GPT-5 will be underwhelming. Do we have any hint to why you think so?

GPT-4 was underwhelming. Either they need more linear algebra tricks (or "AI") or incredibly better data, and neither seems to be the case.

I bet it'll be focused on being a better Siri for Apple. This is good for them as a business, but innovation-wise, it's pretty meh.

It'll still suck for factual or precise information, and its reasoning will still be -1

Re: Ask HN: Predictions for when GPT-5 will be released and how safe it will be?

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I predict - a steady increment of GPT-n+1 every 6 months for marketing purposes. - each will improve on the last by smaller and smaller margins. - hallucinations won't be fixed anytime soon. - We will hit a bit of a winter, as the hype was so big but like self driving cars the devil is in the details. The general public realizes these things are just essentially giving us averages. - A big market will emerge around "…

> - a steady increment of GPT-n+1 every 6 months for marketing purposes. You already failed then, gpt4 was released more than a year ago

hence the "predict", not "infer"
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