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Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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There are actually a lot of factors here, although if I had to sum it up in one, it would be "the hardware can support it." But more seriously: 1. There are a lot of security mitigations in modern Windows that add sometimes substantial runtime overhead, but offer significant protection. Writing an exploit for modern Windows is hard compared to XP SP1 and below. 2. The graphics are a lot more sophisticated. Animation…

Plus backward compatibility. They add code but never take it away.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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One thing to do is to turn off unnecessary services and startup programs. Once you do this, the system becomes amazingly fast. I had to recently setup up a WFH machine with just Chrome and nothing else. I ended up using Win10 (Win11 didn't support the mobo) and went through and uninstalled everything that was activated by default. I also set up autologin and fastboot. The system ends up booting from a cold start in a…

>Once you do this, the system becomes amazingly fast.

Until the next update.

You people told me if I bought windows pro, I could forever turn off ads. Welp, the update happened and I got more ads.

I would be on Fedora if not for a customer requiring Windows software. Its such a garbage OS, Linux is literally better now. Even for grandma.

Btw does anyone else have some weird UX/UI bug where the right clicking makes the text the same color as the background? I don't have bugs in Fedora.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Answers will be about the same as if you had asked "What makes Windows XP perform so much worse than Windows 3.11?"

I don’t remember Windows 3.11 being that performant… do you?

I do. It started up pretty quick. The hardware requirements for a "good" system were drastically different. A decent Windows 3.11 system had 16 megs of RAM... Windows XP needed at least 256 (maybe 512??). XP seemed like a pig when it first came out. Not as bad as Vista though...

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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post #17

There are actually a lot of factors here, although if I had to sum it up in one, it would be "the hardware can support it." But more seriously: 1. There are a lot of security mitigations in modern Windows that add sometimes substantial runtime overhead, but offer significant protection. Writing an exploit for modern Windows is hard compared to XP SP1 and below. 2. The graphics are a lot more sophisticated. Animation…

Linux isn't afraid to break backward compatible. I'm pretty sure Win32 is going to outlive me.

In spite of this, GNU/Linux is also getting bloated and slow.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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post #21

There are actually a lot of factors here, although if I had to sum it up in one, it would be "the hardware can support it." But more seriously: 1. There are a lot of security mitigations in modern Windows that add sometimes substantial runtime overhead, but offer significant protection. Writing an exploit for modern Windows is hard compared to XP SP1 and below. 2. The graphics are a lot more sophisticated. Animation…

Plus backward compatibility. They add code but never take it away.

Isn't that going away with the new ARM-based Windows systems?

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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post #17

There are actually a lot of factors here, although if I had to sum it up in one, it would be "the hardware can support it." But more seriously: 1. There are a lot of security mitigations in modern Windows that add sometimes substantial runtime overhead, but offer significant protection. Writing an exploit for modern Windows is hard compared to XP SP1 and below. 2. The graphics are a lot more sophisticated. Animation…

Linux isn't afraid to break backward compatible. I'm pretty sure Win32 is going to outlive me.

Linux makes an explicit effort to not break userspace.

I had a weird experience where I had to use a device stuck on a 2.6.x kernel, and I was able to run a modern distribution on top of it.

Similarly, running old userlands on new kernels works just as well.

The issue with backwards compatibility isn't with the kernel, but ensuring that whatever you want to run is compatible with the surrounding userland environment. Dynamic linking can break backwards compatibility, for example, but that's an issue above Linux.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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The question is completely meaningless and impossible to answer unless you specify what exactly you mean when you say "performance". Operating systems do lots of things, including in userspace. The answer to your question could be how a userspace library handles many small files being read concurrently, or how the network stack works, or a hardware accelerated UI animation, or sound mixing latency, or memory allocator implementation details.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't remember the difference being that large between them.

Try and run XP on a machine that shipped with 3.1.

You can run Windows 3.11 decently on a 80286, a machine which can't even run XP at all. You can also use Windows 3.11 on a machine with less than 4 megs of RAM, easily. So no argument there.

But if you just bump up the RAM until XP is comfortable, maybe 64 or 128 megs, there isn't much difference between Windows 3.11 and XP in speed. (If you disable the fisher price UI in XP.) If you run more than one program at once, XP definitely starts winning. Win 3.11 is shit at multi-tasking.

Re: Ask HN: What makes Windows 11 perform much worse than Windows XP?

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There are actually a lot of factors here, although if I had to sum it up in one, it would be "the hardware can support it." But more seriously: 1. There are a lot of security mitigations in modern Windows that add sometimes substantial runtime overhead, but offer significant protection. Writing an exploit for modern Windows is hard compared to XP SP1 and below. 2. The graphics are a lot more sophisticated. Animation…

There are a ton more "features" in the OS

Including things you like quite a bit, such as WiFi support, thread scheduling, and suspend modes that are worth a damn.

XP could be snappy, but I haven't forgotten how poorly my old XP two-thread laptop multitasked, how the battery didn't last more than an hour, and so on.

Also worth remembering everyone always has a browser open today. In the XP days, you were running Firefox 1.0, a 5MB program.

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