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I co founded a 400 person company started in 1996 and sold in 2011; we had only 2 people leave (we fired a few but that’s not job hopping) before 2008. I have another company for the past 10 years and it’s nearly impossible to keep people, especially during/after covid, no matter the pay. I would say it definitely increased from my pov. Edit: reasons for leaving are; 1) want a bigger company for security (which is no…
.com boom was full of 3-6 month contract roles, where each new contract was an opportunity to improve cash compensation. Improving earnings via job-hopping is nothing new, the difference may be in the other reasons people hop.
I co founded a 400 person company started in 1996 and sold in 2011; we had only 2 people leave (we fired a few but that’s not job hopping) before 2008. I have another company for the past 10 years and it’s nearly impossible to keep people, especially during/after covid, no matter the pay. I would say it definitely increased from my pov. Edit: reasons for leaving are; 1) want a bigger company for security (which is no…
As an employer we expect folk to hop[1] a bit in their 20s. If that extends into their 30s or beyond that's a red flag. It suggests either the candidate will leave us soon (if they are instigating the hops) or that they're a bad employee (if the keep getting fired.) Neither is a good look.
Equally hopping as you get older gets harder. A 55 year old who hasn't held a job for more than 5 years is not terribly appealing to me.
On the up side, the serial hopper who is 32, just got married, has a kid on the way, and brings a bunch of skills is probably worth a punt.
[1] I'd define a "hop" as a function of age. Anything less than 2 years is a red flag. For older folk a regular pattern of < 5 years is a flag.
These days people hop from job to job for more TC. For me it was about interesting projects (not always profitable).
I co founded a 400 person company started in 1996 and sold in 2011; we had only 2 people leave (we fired a few but that’s not job hopping) before 2008. I have another company for the past 10 years and it’s nearly impossible to keep people, especially during/after covid, no matter the pay. I would say it definitely increased from my pov. Edit: reasons for leaving are; 1) want a bigger company for security (which is no…
Ultimately its really hard to generalise when it comes to job hoppers. It can be good, or bad, for both employer and employee. As an employer we expect folk to hop[1] a bit in their 20s. If that extends into their 30s or beyond that's a red flag. It suggests either the candidate will leave us soon (if they are instigating the hops) or that they're a bad employee (if the keep getting fired.) Neither is a good look. Eq…
I co founded a 400 person company started in 1996 and sold in 2011; we had only 2 people leave (we fired a few but that’s not job hopping) before 2008. I have another company for the past 10 years and it’s nearly impossible to keep people, especially during/after covid, no matter the pay. I would say it definitely increased from my pov. Edit: reasons for leaving are; 1) want a bigger company for security (which is no…
Ultimately its really hard to generalise when it comes to job hoppers. It can be good, or bad, for both employer and employee. As an employer we expect folk to hop[1] a bit in their 20s. If that extends into their 30s or beyond that's a red flag. It suggests either the candidate will leave us soon (if they are instigating the hops) or that they're a bad employee (if the keep getting fired.) Neither is a good look. Eq…
Plus no matter how old you are working for startups means frequent employment changes. Don't be ageist.
I sure did, as did most of the devs I worked with. For two reasons: first, that the only time you'd get a pay raise is by changing jobs and second, because lots of employers considered more than 5 years or so at any given job to be a yellow flag (because it's a potential indication that your skills aren't staying up to date.) Even now, I rarely stay at a given job for more than 5 years or so. But that's mostly becaus…
The problem with this these days is that, even if you want to do something new, companies will not hire you because you lack work experience of what skills you want to obtain. I heard that back in the days, if you knew coding you were hired. Today you have to know 10000 things.
Anything related to the web was not even consider "coding". HTML monkeys got paid nothing. The idea a HTML monkey was doing engineering was a laughable idea. There were no python jobs when python was brand new.
Sure, a good C or Perl programmer had no trouble getting a job in 1994. There were so many less jobs though overall.
Then in 2000 the entire industry goes on life support for 2-3 years.
The good times are now.
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Ultimately its really hard to generalise when it comes to job hoppers. It can be good, or bad, for both employer and employee. As an employer we expect folk to hop[1] a bit in their 20s. If that extends into their 30s or beyond that's a red flag. It suggests either the candidate will leave us soon (if they are instigating the hops) or that they're a bad employee (if the keep getting fired.) Neither is a good look. Eq…
I think your equating hopping with age is misplaced. Yes, younger do hop more, there are plenty more senior people that maybe want something new and interesting - making it less about making more $$
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Ultimately its really hard to generalise when it comes to job hoppers. It can be good, or bad, for both employer and employee. As an employer we expect folk to hop[1] a bit in their 20s. If that extends into their 30s or beyond that's a red flag. It suggests either the candidate will leave us soon (if they are instigating the hops) or that they're a bad employee (if the keep getting fired.) Neither is a good look. Eq…
A 55 year old job hopper is common. They are sometimes called consultants or they work short term employment contracts. They travel like a 20 year old. Plus no matter how old you are working for startups means frequent employment changes. Don't be ageist.
That's different to a 55 year old, looking for a permanent position, with a history of job hopping. And to be clear i's not the age that worries me, it's the hopping. I believe a 30-somthing who's looking to "settle down a bit more" - I don't believe a 55 yo with that story.
I follow the idea that when people show you who they are, believe them. As an _employer_ I'm just not excited by people who are around for a couple years, then move on. Assuming there's competition for the post, I'd likely lean towards the one with the better track record (all other things being equal.)