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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

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I frequently feel a desire to effectively go off the grid and cut ties with the family I was born into, skip the country and start a new life. However, I’ve never actually done that, partly because I recognise that I am romanticising in my own mind what it would be like, and simplifying things. There would be just as many (what feels like) insurmountable challenges in the new life, they’d just be different challenges. In saying that some of the challenges I have in my current life (like ADHD) would follow me everywhere anyway.

However, in saying that, I have had times where I have been deeply unhappy in whatever I was doing in life at a time, and with regard to that, I’ve started over numerous times. I started out studying to become a lawyer. I was in my 3rd year of a law degree when I quit. I was also living in a house with a guy who was addicted to methamphetamine and unpredictable, one night, while he was out, I packed up all my shit and slipped out in the middle of the night, changed my number and never looked back. A few years later, I found myself working in a crappy job, but I had got quite high up and the money was fairly decent. I hated it so much though, so I quit my decent paying job and became an apprentice basically on some of the shittest wages I’ve ever had in my life. Financially that was difficult but doing that was the right choice it’s finally starting to pay off. There has been many times in my life where I’ve walked away from situations, or cut ties with people who were dragging me down. I often go along with things sometimes, pretending I am ok to the outside world, while I recognise I’m not ok on the inside, and when I feel like that, I try to strategize, and think of ways to make my situation better. Sometimes though, it is better to just walk away and start fresh.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

#22
Yes, i took this drastic step a decade ago due to "Filial Duty" reasons.

Had my Life/Career/Job/etc. in the US (with my "Green Card" and was a month away from filing for Citizenship) when i made the decision to literally "throw away my life in the US" and move back to India to live with and take care of my then recently widowed Mother.

I took the decision to put myself into a "self-imposed limited box" (mentally and somewhat literally), staying away from the Industry/Friends/Companionship/Travel/etc. to live with and take care of my Mother on my savings, alone and by myself (because i don't have a family of my own).

Only a year ago, my "Filial Duties" have come to their natural end and i am now trying to figure out what to do with the rest of my Life.

Lessons Learned:

1) Every decision has a consequence which may/may not be according to how you planned it.

2) Whatever be the consequence, you have to live with it and manage it all alone. Only the lucky few get any external help.

3) You will fall into depression, give in to self-pity, anger/hatred at the world/people involved, financial hardship etc. But you have to build mental fortitude to face them all and manage them without falling apart.

4) You will have to learn to be truly self-reliant, disregard the expectations/opinions of the world and learn to do what is "your duty" to do.

5) You will find that a study of Philosophy is truly helpful in managing how to deal with what happens to you in Life.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

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This may be the generic reddit advice you're avoiding, but you should try therapy. Lots of people think they should make some dramatic change in their life, especially irreversible, and usually that's not healthy. I think a lot of people dream of something big and dramatic, because the idea is cathartic, but I don't think most people find that reality matches this idea. I like the saying "nothing ever changes if noth…

Although the OP may indeed be well advised to consider whether there is an underlying psychological issue, "just trying therapy" is bad advice.

Therapists are not trained in diagnosis. Just trying therapy is like finding that your house is damp, and picking randomly from the list of tradesmen that might fix a damp issue: roofers, renderers, heating engineer, plumber, ventilation installer, etc etc. If you pay a roofer, they will probably do something to your roof. But that might not be the problem.

Before getting therapy you should consult either a clinical psychologist or a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists do diagnosis. Clinical psychologists do something similar which they call "formulation".

Without this you can spend years of your life in effect trying to get roofers to fix your rising damp issue. That's not an exaggeration, it happened to me: I felt bad, was in therapy for depression. For years. My problem was actually an anxiety disorder. TBH I think tradesmen are more honest: if you call a roofer and it's not a roof problem, I'd say that you have >50% chance that the roofer will tell you they can't fix the issue. All of the therapists I tried were happy to try fixing my "depression issue" for as long as I cared to pay them.

Now, the situations are not quite the same as therapists don't specialise much. IMO this is a big problem, but not one you can solve as an individual.

There are actually two reasons to get your problem diagnosed first: one, to actually figure out what it is, and two, to have another professional to hold whoever does the actual treatment (whether that's therapy or something else) to account. Otherwise a therapist can "mark their own homework" and keep convincing you that it's worth continuing to pay them, especially if you are too demoralised to put energy into finding an alternative. (Also happened to me). Clinical Psychologists also do treatment, so could suggest that they do the treatment as well, but IMO it's better to have separate person with oversight.

I do think that changing your personal circumstances can be hugely powerful, and therapists often overlook this in favour of internal work. But if you don't really know what the problem is then who knows what changes will help.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

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YES! Mother in law moved in with us. And into the garage is her stuff from a full house. 7 years later, I threw a garage sale sign up that said "Make Me An Offer that I Can't Refuse". Now I can park two cars in the garage.

How much did they offer for the mother in law?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

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post #21

I frequently feel a desire to effectively go off the grid and cut ties with the family I was born into, skip the country and start a new life. However, I’ve never actually done that, partly because I recognise that I am romanticising in my own mind what it would be like, and simplifying things. There would be just as many (what feels like) insurmountable challenges in the new life, they’d just be different challenges…

If you find someone with the same mindset who you can imagine spending the rest of your life with, and they have equally libertarian goals, then I imagine it could be quite fun to do it.

As long as you don't miss your family (you will), miss your homeland (you will), miss the cultural references of your generation (you will), miss certain foods (you will), and feel no guilt in running away from your familial obligations (you will), then have at it.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

#26
Yes I've done this 3 times in the last 20 years. That is, thrown away all but a small bag of possessions and a bag of clothes and resettle in a remote location cutting off contact with all but a couple of people, and with only a few hundred dollars in my pocket. I abandoned a house, quit a well paying great job and broke up with a fiancé. I could detail these experiences but it would be a long and somewhat personal post. Probably nobody wants to hear my life story. But I moved from a small town in England to Manhattan to San Francisco and later the South Bay and then I just did it again in December, moving to a small town in Oregon. So is it worth the risk? Yes absolutely. Changing everything in your environment is an excellent strategy to get out of a rut. I consider the first time I did this to be the best but also most reckless decision of my life. I lived happily in Manhattan for 11 years through my twenties and just had the most spectacular time. I'm so proud now looking back at the young man I was. That was an incredibly brave move. I think in my old age now I'm just a shadow of that character. "Or hasn't been able to accept that he has". I think you mean what and if so that's the key, dissatisfaction. If what you have simply isn't enough, you should take the risk. Don't settle.

Anyway AMA if you like

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

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post #6

YES! Mother in law moved in with us. And into the garage is her stuff from a full house. 7 years later, I threw a garage sale sign up that said "Make Me An Offer that I Can't Refuse". Now I can park two cars in the garage.

That's the thing people don't understand with those city SUV's: you can literally replace one of them for two Citroën Ami's, space-wise

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

#28

Yes, changed country, friends and job. In the end, old family ties brought me back to where I started. It is very hard for a tiger to change it's stripes. I've gotten better results standing up, from where I am now. The radical change gave me life experiences for better or worse. In the end, it's hard to beat building roots at home.

I did the same, and had the exact same insights.

There's nothing worse than being far from home, communicating with a group of friends or a loved one through a language barrier, and realizing that you've been alone inside your own head for many years, to the point that the moment you step foot in your homeland, you immediately strike up an easy conversation with a random stranger.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

#29
Earlier in my life I noticed a pattern, that every 7 years or so I get a strong urge to throw everything away and start over from scratch. It felt like various aspects of life situation - friends, lovers, jobs, city, the country - had run its course, that I had explored and experienced all I could, that things were starting to repeat themselves and had gotten stale. "Is this all there is to life?" Then, I'd find or create an opportunity somewhere else, often far away - a new job, a new person, new state, new country.

I've lost count how many times I've done this, but every time it feels like the world is falling apart. The daily dis-satisfaction became too much to bear, I had to get out and do something to turn everything upside-down. It's a traumatic event, to leave the old life behind. But I would feel such a release and peace when I finally manage to find the next big step. It has always worked out for the better, though sometimes it's a real struggle to get there.

In fact, I'm at such a crossroads these days. I already know which way I'm going to go: south, to a sunny country near the sea.

I couldn't recommend it to anyone though, I've only done it because I had to. There is great value in having a comfortable life with well-known routines - and one day I hope I will settle down.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here ever tried throwing everything away?

#30

I'm leaving academia after 10 years of being a postdoc, moving back to my broken home country, and have split up with my loving girlfriend of 3 years. I am a wreck, but I remember how unhappy and frustrated I felt in the relationship, and in the various postdocs that I did. I need a change, I need to not run away from my family problems, and I need to live somewhere where I feel heard and understood, even if it's a d…

Good luck, internet stranger. Take time to heal, be kind to yourself.
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