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Re: Ask HN: Are job referrals worthless now?

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There's two kinds of referrals...the official ones with a program that goes through HR, then the unofficial where someone you know knows a hiring leader with an open spot. The latter is infinitely better.

This. Referrals don't mean much at a company with a heavy, rigid bureaucracy. You still have to go through the machine.

But usually in my experience they do mean you actually get to go through the machine and aren't just auto rejected without even getting to talk to a human.

Re: Ask HN: Are job referrals worthless now?

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That was my experience 10 years ago when I last looked. Had referrals to specific jobs and also "general availability" from several senior, respected people in my field. Got one interview which went well and then went silent. Rest got either no response or the snotty "Have him apply on the website."

Re: Ask HN: Are job referrals worthless now?

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A few years ago I did one or two phone interviews with a FAANG company, passed with flying colours, and was told by a manager I'd be flown in for the final on-site interview. The manager told me to send my resume to HR so they could make it official..

...and I got rejected by HR, because I didn't have 8 years of working experience at 23.

Still the funniest job hunting story I have.

Re: Ask HN: Are job referrals worthless now?

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No, you shouldn't generalize from a few examples. A good referral will get your CV in front of the hiring manager, skipping the screening and HR process. If you just get permission to put someone's name on the application that may not count for much. You should ask your contacts to get you on the short list so you bypass at least some of the hiring funnel. Right now the job market for more junior people looks brutal…

I think it might be brutal for more than junior people now. I thought I would be fine when my previous employer decided to offshore all of engineering and I was laid off as a result. I have been at an architect/lead/principal level for the last 7 years doing backend work with mostly state-of-the-art tech on AWS. 15 years experience total, and just getting no traction despite referrals. None of my jobs were at hyperscale FAANG types, or super sexy stuff. I'm not a thought leader with an influential blog nor have I built an open source library with 5k stars. Maybe that is what it takes to get a call back now? I'm a regular hacker who loves technology and never dreamed I would be struggling this badly.

Re: Ask HN: Are job referrals worthless now?

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In my company a strong referral certainly carries a lot of weight. There is however a big difference between a casual referral (as in, I barely know this guy but he reached out to me) vs a strong referral (as in, I've worked with him and will vouch for him and I would like him on the team).

Re: Ask HN: Are job referrals worthless now?

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No, you shouldn't generalize from a few examples. A good referral will get your CV in front of the hiring manager, skipping the screening and HR process. If you just get permission to put someone's name on the application that may not count for much. You should ask your contacts to get you on the short list so you bypass at least some of the hiring funnel. Right now the job market for more junior people looks brutal…

I think it might be brutal for more than junior people now. I thought I would be fine when my previous employer decided to offshore all of engineering and I was laid off as a result. I have been at an architect/lead/principal level for the last 7 years doing backend work with mostly state-of-the-art tech on AWS. 15 years experience total, and just getting no traction despite referrals. None of my jobs were at hypersc…

Mindset. Be humble and open to learning, don’t be desperate. Explain that this is what you love to do. That you genuinely care about the product/mission/service and you’ll land something. If you go in “I need a paycheck, I can code”, that’s not very compelling. I can teach someone to code. What I can’t teach is for someone to be hungry to learn.

So be positive, be humble, be sharp, and be willing.

Also, numbers game. 200 applications -> 63 interviews -> 12 callbacks -> 4 complete interview process -> 2 offers.

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