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Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Why do you think so? I did think this too until about 6 years ago but with them basically buying all of open source and AI, I kind of can’t help but use and love the products they now own. What damage to they currently do?

Could you post a few examples of what good they did to open source? Genuinely curious.

Not the person you were asking but they open sourced .NET and gave us the language server protocol

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think so? I did think this too until about 6 years ago but with them basically buying all of open source and AI, I kind of can’t help but use and love the products they now own. What damage to they currently do?

Could you post a few examples of what good they did to open source? Genuinely curious.

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Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Oracle has always had predatory pricing and treat their customers like indentured servants. However they don't generate the ink of the tech giants because they aren't one. By market cap they are medium sized at best.

Oracle doesn't have products the general public would use on the scale of a Microsoft, Amazon, or Google. So these larger companies are scrutinized far more.

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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As an Oracle DBA, I just complain about Oracle wherever I can. Is it to subconsciously lead people away from the high paying DBA jobs and leave them for myself? The software is garbage for sure, but after a while everything is garbage and idk what to work with anymore. PeopleSoft can burn in hell for the rest of forever though. I would quit my job if they tried to move me to that.

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Sad how Microsoft doesn't get the reactions it deserves anymore. Probably the single most harmful entity to computing.

Why do you think so? I did think this too until about 6 years ago but with them basically buying all of open source and AI, I kind of can’t help but use and love the products they now own. What damage to they currently do?

His comment has merit. Microsoft controls something like 90% of desktop computer marketshare and turned them into malicious adware & spyware platforms overnight.

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Few years ago I was having a "let's get to know each other" lunch with an account executive . He was very successful in sales in the company we both worked at the time and quite clearly prior to it. So I asked him about his career history. [It is important for this story to note here that this guy is extremely handsome, and knows it] He describing starting as a shoe salesman in women's shoes in Bellevue Nordstrom, as he put it "flirting with all the mothers coming to buy shoes". Checks out. He progresses and a decade and a half later he's an Oracle rep. Eventually, he said, the money was good but he "got tired of being the most hated man in the room".

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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Oracle is known for being very aggressive with litigation and legal threats, exceptionally so even vs the other tech giants.

On the other hand, I know an oracle dev that suffered a horrible accident and took two years to rehabilitate. Oracle kept him on paid leave that whole time despite it being unrelated to the workplace and past their usual policy.

So based on that my understanding of them now is that they're more than a bit hostile/malignant to those outside the mothership, but not necessarily evil to each other inside it.

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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My 2 cents as a sysadmin who has worked with countless systems and databases: there has never been a more unintuitive database system than Oracle (atleast from the administrative side).

Anecdote: Back when I was just an apprentice, I was tasked to duplicate an Oracle database (the Oracle guy just left the company). It took me over 3 hours to figure that one out (exp vs expdp, FULL=Y and OWNER=FOO come to mind).

And don't even get me started on PDBs and usernames starting with "C##"!

Re: Ask HN: Is Oracle that much more evil than other big companies?

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If you're an IC at an Oracle customer and you have to interact with their products, you may have a very valid reason to hate them. The people who make purchasing decisions love them. As long as you pay the ransom, Oracle loves you back. The lawyers can be very friendly if you know to stay on their good side.

This is definitely not true. A long time ago I was working for a smallish company and we were choosing between MSSQL and Oracle.

Microsoft pricing was up front. Oracle is “call us and talk”. This immediately made Oracle a non starter.

When I was at AWS, we could create all of the AWS accounts we wanted and do basically anything we wanted in internal accounts as long as it was tangentially work related or just to experiment with a few sensible guardrails like no publicly accessible S3 buckets without permission and no permissions to any accounts that were not also internal employee AWS accounts

The one thing we couldn’t do without a lot of approvals was start up an Oracle RDS instance without approval and justification.

There is a reason Amazon Redshift is called Redshift - it was built to let Amazon shift away from the Red company (Oracle).

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