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Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

#21
If you have the means, get a computer science degree at a reasonable school, and don't listen to people telling it's too late, and that ML is your meal ticket. We have two kinds of jobs here in the valley, the glamorous and competitive, and the really challenging and necessary. The latter are more immune to hype cycles and economic downturns. If you do something along the lines of networking/security, cloud infrastructure, and learn something that confuses other people, say, how to use OAuth2 properly as an example, you will be able to work on the infra side in almost any company. Once you get your foot in the door, then you can learn the latest hottest fad wherever it is that you are, on the job. Infrastructure is the computer industry version of cleaning out the stables for the horses, but it's also necessary everywhere and once you prove yourself and show you are capable of learning on the job, you can work on other stuff. If you start to enjoy infra stuff, you can work anywhere. Don't get stuck doing any kind of process though, don't be the compliance guy, for example.

The biggest shortage in silicon valley is that of capable minds and hands. It's on you to make yourself marketable, but once that's done, there's tons of opportunity. I've been working here since 1996. I'm a grey haired old timer now, and I've seen this industry from big companies, startups, boring companies, and fad companies. Get your foot in the door, the first job won't be glorious, but as you demonstrate skill, pay and rank will follow. Don't go to any of the companies staffed by lots of startup bros, because a wrinkle or some greying hair is a disadvantage there, but there are plenty of other places to start.

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

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If you have the means, get a computer science degree at a reasonable school, and don't listen to people telling it's too late, and that ML is your meal ticket. We have two kinds of jobs here in the valley, the glamorous and competitive, and the really challenging and necessary. The latter are more immune to hype cycles and economic downturns. If you do something along the lines of networking/security, cloud infrastru…

This, but do your CS degree online and also do a MS rather than an undergrad. Despite what you might think you need essentially no prior coding experience to enroll and complete most MS programs (though you may be conditionally admitted and need remedials). And any school will do for MS, there is no such thing as a prestigious masters degree. Anyone hunting academic prestige beyond undergrad just gets a doctorate.

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

#25
Sorry to be the thread's unwanted armchair fake psychologist, but you might consider getting an ADHD screening if you haven't, just because some (possibly all) of the experiences you described seem compatible with unmanaged ADHD.

That aside, I agree it's not too late! For example, most of the people with new LLM startups probably didn't know much at all about LLMs two years ago. Sometimes everyone gets to be a new learner at the same time.

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

#26
I started again at 32. Similar story to you (kinda).

4 years later, I can build anything I want with lines of code in 3 languages. Best part = building is free (it takes time tho) + it's fun.

My advice to you is to decide what you want to work on by building things.

It's true that learning CS is important. But you can just read books + do youtube lectures on the side from the big colleges.

The tech dream you are referring too is about building things. There is a lot to that but nothing beats actually building things for users.

Also, remember that knowledge work (like tech) still have people working at 70 years old. I have conversations with programmers who are around that age. They haven't slowed down.

To answer your question, where do I begin, start by building something that you would have used in a PM role. Once you have the project in mind, the details will fall into place (google!)

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

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Hi mate, Life is long and we can restart our journey at any time, so no worries. The best advice I could give is to start meeting people and (always!) learn new things. Action on you: go to meetup.com, find three interesting events in your area, go there with no expectations, just listen and meet new people. You are smart. You will work it out.

How do I realistically compete with those who are younger, more nimble, with impressive educational & professional backgrounds? The startup world seems to be far more of a status game nowadays than when I fell in love with it 15 years ago. What does someone with 0 social capital to open doors do, especially at this age?

The simple answer is you don't. Be realistic about who the competition is and which jobs to aim for.

When reaching for the moon try reaching the top shelf first, and use that to stand on.

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

#28

Hit the gym: https://www.julian.com/guide/muscle/intro Grind leetcode: https://leetcode.com/

^ Unironically the best answer.

I agree. Incredibly simple but I’ve seen people do exactly this for 4 months after a layoff and get into FAANG companies.

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

#29

I am a 68 year old child of a navy family. Mostly far east, all over the USA, and some Europe.My advice from my life is combine your uniqueness into a single unit. Take your background and create an opensource project that can be done quickly 2 - 3 months max and after that is done use that to promote yourself if you want to be a developer/software engineer. If you are into DevOps or DevSecOps do challenges. Pursue w…

Please don't do a quick open source project for the sake of padding one's resume. The world is full of crap software as it is. Such software shows up in people's google searches, takes time to try out, and the user will inevitably find out that it's garbage (you can't do anything good in 2-3 months that wasn't done before if you're just learning) and not use it - but not before they wasted time to research it. Multiply it by say 10k users and you've done some serious harm in the world.

The way to go here is to absolutely code something, but not to pretend that it's a worthwhile project (e.g. don't release it under open source licence). If you put the code in a public repo somewhere so that interviers can see it, clearly state that it's just a learning excercise.

Re: Ask HN: How do I start over at 37?

#30
I have a friend who in her 30s being a single mother of 2 kids and working as a doctor surgeon, but living in a shitty conditions in a shitty city in russia - made her way to being a well paid software engineer living in California.

She started with some courses, bootcamps (one of which was created by me - this is how i know her), some first shitty jobs and gigs and gradually built herself from there.

Within ~5 years.

Despite some arrogant naysayers suggesting her getting a CS degree first or chose different path at all.

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