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Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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post #20

The site is totally unusable right now unless you're a paid subscriber, in which case it's only very slightly less unusable - so by definition I'd say yeah, Twitter as we knew it has been destroyed. Whether Elon intends to backpedal in the next 12-24 hours as seems to be his MO remains to be seen.

It's working mostly fine for me as a non-subscriber.

It's glitched a few times and popped up a "you've hit the rate limit" message on the app, but that goes away with an app restart or refresh of the page.

Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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post #19

I think the simple explanation seems to be that he vastly overpaid for it, tried his best to get out of buying, and now that he has sunk all this money into it, he is trying all quickfire ways of making money via Twitter (most of which seem ridiculously bad but I doubt there are many good options for making good money via Twitter).

He should have tried at least a little bit the way that has made Twitter profitable for some quarters in the past instead of diving head first into thinking people would want to pay. Making the platform appealing to advertisers and having a sales team get them to spend.

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Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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Yes. The only real question is whether he's trying to or it's just happening anyway. When your competitor is Mark Zuckerberg and he can moot an alternative with the sole USP being "sanely run", and this sounds like a positive development, you know value is being destroyed. But this was predictable way back, including for instance the Thai cave rescue, where his suggestion being shot down led him to make unwarranted,…

This view also introduces the question of how badly has Elon hurt his reputation and orchestrated mythology. Until Twitter, many thought the man a "genius" that could do no wrong. After Twitter, Elon has become "very human" with glaringly obvious flaws.

Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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post #23

Yes. The only real question is whether he's trying to or it's just happening anyway. When your competitor is Mark Zuckerberg and he can moot an alternative with the sole USP being "sanely run", and this sounds like a positive development, you know value is being destroyed. But this was predictable way back, including for instance the Thai cave rescue, where his suggestion being shot down led him to make unwarranted,…

This view also introduces the question of how badly has Elon hurt his reputation and orchestrated mythology. Until Twitter, many thought the man a "genius" that could do no wrong. After Twitter, Elon has become "very human" with glaringly obvious flaws.

He's not a typical human, though. He appears to lack the capacity for empathy and he is cruel -- he toys with people like Halli Thorleifsson in public. It is sociopathic, which by definition makes him unusual.

Sensible, consistent business leaders simply do not behave the way he does: if they are sociopaths, they at least try to surround themselves with qualified people who are not.

Elon has ruined his reputation with everyone who matters. It's not unreasonable to assume that if he makes judgements this bad in public he is making much worse judgements in private. This isn't business, it's a function of his personality.

He has not ruined his reputation with the people he is enabling: the assorted alt right and hard right wing pond scum he follows and trollishly retweets because they provide him with narcissistic supply.

The reality I suspect is that most people who know who he is don't think "he's a dick but he's a good businessman" now, because they can see that little of what he is doing is good business. He didn't have to do this at all. And the majority of people see the serious flaws in his behaviour.

And while people still have a tendency to compensate for the narcissists who crept up on them while validating their beliefs (Trump, Boris Johnson) I don't believe people have their eyes closed to Musk, because everyone who comes to understand a narcissist gets a bit better at avoiding letting more narcissists into their lives.

I always tended to believe that he's a pitiable little rich boy who is overselling his own myth, but I now believe he is malignant.

The Thai cave rescue story is what cemented it in my mind: he is a bully who expects to get away with callously punishing other people for his hurt feelings.

He's not the sort of person who should be trusted with anything, and we know from the behaviour of other severe narcissists that his behaviour will only get worse after the criticism he receives from this incident.

Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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post #13

Just experimentation. He bought the company at the top of the market and has a large debt bill, likely that is all there is to the frequent changes. It's obvious that existing users will find this unsettling.

Existing users, I guess, are all finding it unsettling. Except maybe the Salacious Crumbs out there, cackling at his every action.

But new users can currently read only 300 tweets before they are rate limited for 24 hours, and that is all of about 12-15 average threads.

Why would they find it less unsettling? It's not a competent product at this point.

Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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post #13

Just experimentation. He bought the company at the top of the market and has a large debt bill, likely that is all there is to the frequent changes. It's obvious that existing users will find this unsettling.

Existing users, I guess, are all finding it unsettling. Except maybe the Salacious Crumbs out there, cackling at his every action. But new users can currently read only 300 tweets before they are rate limited for 24 hours, and that is all of about 12-15 average threads. Why would they find it less unsettling? It's not a competent product at this point.

Edit - frequent, not existing users. I'm an infrequent user, do not find it unsettling at all. It'll get fixed soon.

Re: Ask HN: Is Elon Musk Destroying Twitter?

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post #18
post #17

Nope. We're just watching the over-reaction here once again screaming at another Twitter speed bump magnified by the techies. Just like the other speed bumps before, this will be yet another nothing.

There you are!

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Why are you specifically looking for me again? Unless you are an obsessed rvz fan, despite denying it? [0]

Out of all comments here, you have just wasted your time replying to only me. Again.

I'm just sitting back laughing at you and everyone else reacting to the panic and hysteria that will just subside regardless.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36384760

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