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Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

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Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

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No, they are more prone to runs because there is no central bank to bail anyone out

Uhm, hate to break it to you, but you can only have a run on the bank as a result of fractional banking - which is systemic in the fiat banking system due to regulations only requiring they hold 10% of customers' deposits.

You literally cannot have a bank run on USDC or BTC because they do not do fractional banking (i.e loan out the money you deposited).

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

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post #12
post #6

Most people are well under the insurance limit and would rather bank for free than pay fees.

This. The fees to cover the bank branches, the online banking system, atm usage etc. would have to be huge.

Why? Many banks are now fully digital and don't have branches.

Also, if nothing else, crypto has shown that storing money performing transfers is not that expensive.

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

#24
post #11

No, they are more prone to runs because there is no central bank to bail anyone out

Uhm, hate to break it to you, but you can only have a run on the bank as a result of fractional banking - which is systemic in the fiat banking system due to regulations only requiring they hold 10% of customers' deposits. You literally cannot have a bank run on USDC or BTC because they do not do fractional banking (i.e loan out the money you deposited).

Yes you can with stable coins, the money held to back USDC was held in regular banks like SVB, some of which would have gone poof if not for the Fed has not guaranteed all SVB deposits. That’s why USDC depegged before the deposit guarantee was announced

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

#25
post #6

Most people are well under the insurance limit and would rather bank for free than pay fees.

I'd argue that most people simply don't know what is going on and think that their money is being stored in a bank vault.

True. I suppose if we combine both groups, that covers the vast majority of people.

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

#26
post #11

No, they are more prone to runs because there is no central bank to bail anyone out

Uhm, hate to break it to you, but you can only have a run on the bank as a result of fractional banking - which is systemic in the fiat banking system due to regulations only requiring they hold 10% of customers' deposits. You literally cannot have a bank run on USDC or BTC because they do not do fractional banking (i.e loan out the money you deposited).

You can't give out loans really without fractional banking either. I mean you can. But not really.

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

#27
post #11

No, they are more prone to runs because there is no central bank to bail anyone out

Uhm, hate to break it to you, but you can only have a run on the bank as a result of fractional banking - which is systemic in the fiat banking system due to regulations only requiring they hold 10% of customers' deposits. You literally cannot have a bank run on USDC or BTC because they do not do fractional banking (i.e loan out the money you deposited).

With stable coins you can have insolvency which is worse than a bank run probably (because no government insurance). Stable coins are the worse to keep cash - higher risk than a bank account but no interest. The only logical uses for them is online gambling and money laundering.

You don’t own a USDC. Instead some random offshore company owes you a dollar.

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

#28
post #14

It pains me that even on hacker news (a more sophisticated discussion destination than most) most people who are replying didn't read the body of the message and just saw "are there banks/crypto cos immune to bank run" and just blurted out their usual response "no central bank to bail anyone out" or "banks earn money by investing / crypto has no FDIC". OP is explicitly asking what if banks (tradfi) or crypto cos held…

Do manufacturers of rat poison keep their factories free of peanuts, might be an analogous question.

The point being running to crypto because you are scared of a bank run is probably not going to be in your risk profile

Re: Ask HN: Are there banks/crypto companies immune to bank run?

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm, hate to break it to you, but you can only have a run on the bank as a result of fractional banking - which is systemic in the fiat banking system due to regulations only requiring they hold 10% of customers' deposits. You literally cannot have a bank run on USDC or BTC because they do not do fractional banking (i.e loan out the money you deposited).

With stable coins you can have insolvency which is worse than a bank run probably (because no government insurance). Stable coins are the worse to keep cash - higher risk than a bank account but no interest. The only logical uses for them is online gambling and money laundering. You don’t own a USDC. Instead some random offshore company owes you a dollar.

How can a stable coin be insolvent if they have proof of reserves showing they have assets that match total deposit value?
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