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Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by JonathanBeuys »

You don't even need a fancy "send html fragments over the wire" approach to create a better user and developer experience.

Just sending full pages, server side rendered, like Hacker News and Wikipedia do is fine:

Going from the HN homepage to this topic we are on:

    36 KB in 5 requests.
Going from the Wikipedia Homepage to an article:

    824 KB in 25 requests
Going from the AirBnB homepage to an apartment listing:

    11.4 MB in 265 requests.
Going from the Reddit homepage to a Reddit thread:

    3.74 MB in 40 requests
In comparison to AirBnB and Reddit, HN and Wikipedia feel blazingly fast. And I am sure the developer experience is an order of magnitude nicer as well.

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by thrownaway561 »

lordpankake wrote: post #18

I'm building a webapp[0] for turning Clickup docs into static sites, using CF Workers. There isn't a framework for Workers that has the flexibility I need, so I home-rolled one that only sends rendered HTML over the wire. Async components are supported too, so if I have a particularly data-intensive component the renderer just inlines a tiny JS script that sends a request to the worker again, which then returns just…

ColdFusion!!! Nice!!!

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by beebeepka »

Isn't making a request for almost any user interaction a bit too much?

I am more in favour of BE telling FE what to render. I honestly believe many apps could be simplified with better abstractions than hard coding html into messy components. Not saying it's a great approach for super complex layouts, of course.

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by thrownaway561 »

I was just watching a talk about htmx which is awesome looking. i'm a rails guy myself so i am really interested in using hotwire in some projects. htmx looks like a very nice crossplatform approach.

https://htmx.org/

Here is the talk: https://htmx.org/essays/a-real-world-react-to-htmx-port/

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by sodapopcan »

jeanlucas wrote: post #16

All companies using Elixir / LiveView, there are quite a few

I had a job writing Elixir but it was a terrible fit. Most Elixir jobs want people with multiple years of Elixir experience and I have 8 months, lol. I do have an interview lined up with an Elixir shop, though.

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by SirGiggles »

freedomben wrote: post #11
mjfisher wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is rendered server side, but typically the server keeps track of only what needs to change and sends as small as possible an update to dynamically update the DOM. You end up with a user experience that feels close to an SPA, but a dev experience that feels close to traditional SSR.

Tech like LiveView (Phoenix) and LiveWire (Laravel) are great examples of this.

Also Blazer Server (C#) and the upcoming Blazor United slated for .NET 8

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by jonatron »

JonathanBeuys wrote: post #21

You don't even need a fancy "send html fragments over the wire" approach to create a better user and developer experience. Just sending full pages, server side rendered, like Hacker News and Wikipedia do is fine: Going from the HN homepage to this topic we are on: 36 KB in 5 requests. Going from the Wikipedia Homepage to an article: 824 KB in 25 requests Going from the AirBnB homepage to an apartment listing: 11.4 MB…

old.reddit feels fast, which is why I use the Old Reddit Redirect extension.

Re: Ask HN: What companies are embracing “HTML over the wire”?

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Post by quechimba »

mjfisher wrote: post #5
jerjerjer wrote: post #3

Is “HTML over the wire” a new buzzword for SSR or is there a difference I'm missing?

It is rendered server side, but typically the server keeps track of only what needs to change and sends as small as possible an update to dynamically update the DOM. You end up with a user experience that feels close to an SPA, but a dev experience that feels close to traditional SSR.

I've been working on one of those frameworks, although the dev experience feels more like a SPA in this one. https://github.com/mayu-live/framework
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