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Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by sofixa »

petodo wrote: post #18
sofixa wrote: post #16

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> I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy and I was disgusted by majority of population which had no problem with them, I expected bigger disagreement despite having already very low meaning about society in general. Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what d…

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> There were countries like Sweden or Florida state which didn't fall for this mass hysteria, while it was clear already at that time it's inexcusable bad approach.

Sweden, that had multiple times the excess deaths of its neighbours and the economic slowdown? So their sacrifice of their own citizens served no one.

> Majority of world's population proven once again it's stupid falling for whatever current thing MSM push down their throat.

This is legitimately one of the stupidest takes possible. WHO, the authority on pandemics, and a bunch of local health authorities made recommendations and decisions, which were sometimes criticised by various media, but MSM right? It doesn't get more mainstream than Fox News and Daily Mail and they sure criticised all anti-pandemic measures, including masks, social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by moistly »

petodo wrote: post #18
sofixa wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy and I was disgusted by majority of population which had no problem with them, I expected bigger disagreement despite having already very low meaning about society in general. Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what d…

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Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by kcplate »

sofixa wrote: post #20
kcplate wrote: post #19

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> Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what do you think, the president of France imposed a lockdown because he likes the power trip? Unfortunately you are not really arguing your point from a position of strength. Tyrannical behavior was rampant and it was intentionally done. Speaking from my US perspective, at almost every political level from the federal government down to…

> Quarantining the sick, yes. Quarantining the well…that was a bit unprecedented. The well.. for an airborne illness with up to two weeks incubation period and frequent lack of symptoms? Many were sick and spreading and had no way of knowing, hence the abundance of caution.

Ahh yes, the old “our intentions were good and virtuous even if the outcome of our actions was more harmful so we should be excused for our bad decisions” argument.

That might be a valid excuse if the tyrants didn’t double and triple down on bad policies even after it became apparent that lockdown policies were more hurtful than helpful to the populace. Ignorance is an excuse until you are no longer ignorant.

Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by jrockway »

kcplate wrote: post #23
sofixa wrote: post #20

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> Quarantining the sick, yes. Quarantining the well…that was a bit unprecedented. The well.. for an airborne illness with up to two weeks incubation period and frequent lack of symptoms? Many were sick and spreading and had no way of knowing, hence the abundance of caution.

Ahh yes, the old “our intentions were good and virtuous even if the outcome of our actions was more harmful so we should be excused for our bad decisions” argument. That might be a valid excuse if the tyrants didn’t double and triple down on bad policies even after it became apparent that lockdown policies were more hurtful than helpful to the populace. Ignorance is an excuse until you are no longer ignorant.

How was the outcome harmful? We got remote work widely accepted, very few people were denied treatment when they did get the disease, we rolled out a vaccine in less than a year, the stock market went up, and software engineering salaries reached all time highs.

Listen. We botched the response to the pandemic, and many people died that didn't need to die. But at no point was having to wear a mask to get your coffee at Starbucks even the tiniest inconvenience for any reasonable person.

Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by kcplate »

jrockway wrote: post #24
kcplate wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh yes, the old “our intentions were good and virtuous even if the outcome of our actions was more harmful so we should be excused for our bad decisions” argument. That might be a valid excuse if the tyrants didn’t double and triple down on bad policies even after it became apparent that lockdown policies were more hurtful than helpful to the populace. Ignorance is an excuse until you are no longer ignorant.

How was the outcome harmful? We got remote work widely accepted, very few people were denied treatment when they did get the disease, we rolled out a vaccine in less than a year, the stock market went up, and software engineering salaries reached all time highs. Listen. We botched the response to the pandemic, and many people died that didn't need to die. But at no point was having to wear a mask to get your coffee a…

> How was the outcome harmful?

> We botched the response to the pandemic, and many people died that didn’t need to die.

You answered your own question.

but…to add to your answer, the harm done to schoolage kids is becoming pretty well known. I’d rather not sacrifice our future again to protect a bunch of 80 year olds

Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by dang »

petodo wrote: post #18
sofixa wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was not concerned about COVID, I was concerned about authoritarian politicians introducing meaningless restrictions which should have no place in democracy and I was disgusted by majority of population which had no problem with them, I expected bigger disagreement despite having already very low meaning about society in general. Pandemic prevention isn't a matter of authoritarianism vs democracy. Honestly, what d…

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Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by dang »

moistly wrote: post #22
petodo wrote: post #18

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I warned you about exactly this a few months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33187599) and you've continued to do it in multiple places (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34554221). That's abusive and seriously not cool.

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dang wrote: post #27
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We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines, and ignoring our requests to stop. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments, but even though we cut people slack for a long time (years, in some cases), it's not infinite. We can't allow people to flout the rules like this forever. I warned you about exactly this a few months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=331…

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Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by moistly »

dang wrote: post #27
moistly wrote: post #22

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We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines, and ignoring our requests to stop. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments, but even though we cut people slack for a long time (years, in some cases), it's not infinite. We can't allow people to flout the rules like this forever. I warned you about exactly this a few months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=331…

Shame on you for supporting the clowns. Their anti-rational, anti health measures claims are detrimental to your site and your society. Protecting them from even mild criticism is clown moderation. Shame!

Re: Ask HN: Should we be concerned about the current H5N1 outbreak?

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Post by dang »

moistly wrote: post #29
dang wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines, and ignoring our requests to stop. I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments, but even though we cut people slack for a long time (years, in some cases), it's not infinite. We can't allow people to flout the rules like this forever. I warned you about exactly this a few months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=331…

Shame on you for supporting the clowns. Their anti-rational, anti health measures claims are detrimental to your site and your society. Protecting them from even mild criticism is clown moderation. Shame!

Other people being clowns, or you feeling that they are, does not make it ok to break HN's rules. In fact, these things are quite unrelated.

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